Bessler's Mt 125

hoppfield · November 03, 2015, 08:24:06 PM

Quote from: AB Hammer on November 03, 2015, 08:10:06 PM
massive

James Lindgaard tends to be very one sided. The reason jim_mich did such is the Jim/James Lindgaard has already been banned several time before. Each time causing trouble. So you have to ask. How many time does someone have to be banned to stay banned? The real question when it deals with James Lindgaard.

AB Hammer,
I think Stefan needs to ban you. You admitted to creating a false I.D. to try and prevent my being banned from woodworkingtalk.com. And now you are trying to rally support for my being banned from this forum.
I hope Stefan reads this and understands that you don't care to work with other people.
What it is you want, who knows but it's not anyone else's problem but your own.

James A. Lindgaard

hoppfield · November 03, 2015, 09:18:48 PM

Since this is my Mt 125 thread supporting Johann Bessler's work in perpetual motion, I wish I knew some calculus. It would help to explain this. I do know with a working wheel, if I wanted to highlight some possible information I learned from Bessler's drawings, it would be given consideration. Myself, I don't know calculus so we'll have to struggle along, sorry.
With water, if anyone watches a video of Heron's Fountain, water leaving the fountain has a specific velocity and volume. And contrary to what people believe, it is not being pushed out by any means. It is being siphoned out and that's much easier. Mt 125 uses the same principle, it's a difference in pressure. And with Heron's Fountain, we see what a difference in pressure allows for.
With Mt 125, the best situation is for the bellows to have moved 1/2 of the movable water when moving from 45 degrees BTDC and TDC. If this happens, then when the bellows are at top and bottom center, they will be counter balanced.
I guess with me, kind of wish a few more people in here got into the math of it. it is different but if anyone ever wants to build something like this, it would be helpful to know.

Jim

edited to add; top and bottom center with bellows is something I consider when looking at the riser pipe joining them together.

sm0ky2 · November 03, 2015, 09:55:07 PM

Hoppy,

great work on your wheel so far, I hope you keep us informed on your progress.

I've read your posts about some of the other members on this forum,
and I was present when you posted in that other thread.. im not sure why you hold such hostility towards them,
all I saw was they were trying to help you.
The people you are talking bad about, are probably the most capable of assisting you in furthering your efforts.
Those three alone have offered more to our field of research than Bessler himself.

I've been here for a very long time, and worked along side these people through hundreds of designs, builds, concepts.
Each of them has their own areas of expertise and collectively can get to the bottom of just about anything.
It might be better to just let it go, and get back to work on the ultimate goal. (whatever that may be for each person)
We are already "socially unacceptable" because of what we do here goes against mainstream society.
There's really no need to engage in combat amongst ourselves. the name calling, or the who is what, or the you don't know who I think I am...
It's all pointless and only serves to distract us from our purpose here.

As far as a free energy device being worth millions? That's not really the case. It will COST billions, if not trillions to a number of industries.
Everything will have to adjust to the existence of such a device. The energy industry as a whole
will collapse, gas, oil, electricity, etc. same for transportation and shipping
The food industry will take a huge hit because of the bio investments.
I could go on, but the point is, it will cost much more than anyone would ever make attempting to mass produce and sell said device.

the "millions" people chase after, and some actually attain, - is the "hush money". Big companies will buy a patent, intending to shelf the technology, and never release it. Spending a couple million bucks to protect billions, kind of a no-brainer. But the people that chase this money are doing it for greedy purposes, and that really has no place here. If you want a patent, and make money, you're probably better off inventing something useful and easier to achieve.
This thing we pursue, is a lot of hard work, and there's no money in it, even when we succeed. What we get, will be worth more than all the money in the world.

This industry will always have opposition. In many ways, Thermodynamic theory is like a Religion. Some will fight to the death for opposing it.
There are the educationally indoctrinated, the industry spies, the just plain confrontational people who really have no clue but will argue with you to the end as if they know everything that is ever to be known.
Don't let this discourage you, let it be your motivation.
And try to differentiate between those, and the good-intended people that want to educate you and help you progress.
Much of what you are doing has already been done. Take the time to read through the many Bessler threads on this forum, you can save yourself a lot of headache, and probably learn a few things.

And remember, when someone doesn't agree with you, or perhaps they point out a flaw in your design, and try to teach you about physics, mechanics, gravity, etc.
------ Most of them have already been where you are.

Keep working, don't ever give up, even if something doesn't work, at the very least, you learned WHY it didn't work. and can use that experience in your next quest.

My opinion:
Bessler was an interesting character, but im not convinced that he ever had a working device. There are just as many stories of fraud as there are of success when it comes to him. and my personal experience with his wheels, is that many of them do NOT work. and for reasons that are often obvious even before the attempted build. That's not to say he didn't have one that DID work, but for me, I never made it through all of them. The ones I played with don't work.
The thing with gravity is it's conservative, much like momentum.
Unless you have a mechanism to offset the effect on one side or the other, the "up / down" of the situation is always perfectly symmetrical.
any vertical displacement that occurs comes at the exact same cost as the gain.
You can "believe" something works all you want to, but unless you design an engine that runs on faith, you're not going to get very far.

I don't do this because I "believe" something will work. I've seen enough to KNOW that our ultimate goal is in fact attainable, regardless of how physics will choose to describe the final effect, in accordance to commonly accepted theories. which they will do.
the WickyWheel was a perfect example of this. A well documented, working PM device, which was shared throughout colleges around the U.S.
several capillary tubes were placed into a bowl of water, and the drops coming out the top turned a small water-wheel, dumping the water back into the bowl.
Physicists came out with a scientific analysis to show how it "conformed to thermodynamics", and it has all but disappeared. Everyone forgot about the fact that the wheel keeps turning..... And I imagine that a similar thing will happen to any device that ends up working.
The Self-fulfilling prophecy of Perpetual Motion. But "free energy" does exists.

If you see something and think it could work, the best thing to do is exactly what you are doing - Build it.
Then you'll know, it either works, doesn't work, or you need to improve your building skills.

hoppfield · November 03, 2015, 10:06:39 PM

sm0ky2,
Chances are that AB Hammer is a complete fraud. In our world, there are over 7 billion people. Most scientists are doubtful that life as we know it can survive with such a population. If you want reality, the best that can be done is to work at things. There is no miracle panacea.

Jim Lindgaard

edited to add; sm0ky, the reality is, I don't know who tinselkoala is and ab hammer has admitted to using a fraudulent account. I've always have been known. As for pirate88179, it is possible he is thinking ab hammer has taken advantage of his trust.
Still, people supporting ab hammer blindly has caused me problems. When I said that the Richmond Police Dept. knows about Alan Bauldree, this includes the Madison Co. Sherriff's Dept. and the Kentucky State Patrol. He is known where I live. I'm not sure what to say sm0ky because I have made it known to local law enforcement that he was stalking me. His admitting to having posted on woodworkingtalk.com proves that. It also let's law enforcement in Kentucky know that when I was frustrated beyond belief, it is because I was being stalked. He admitted to it.
And now instead of law enforcement watching me, they'll be watching him. And for me, that is a relief.

AB Hammer · November 04, 2015, 07:56:42 AM

Quote from: hoppfield on November 03, 2015, 10:06:39 PM
sm0ky2,
Chances are that AB Hammer is a complete fraud. In our world, there are over 7 billion people. Most scientists are doubtful that life as we know it can survive with such a population. If you want reality, the best that can be done is to work at things. There is no miracle panacea.

Jim Lindgaard

edited to add; sm0ky, the reality is, I don't know who tinselkoala is and ab hammer has admitted to using a fraudulent account. I've always have been known. As for pirate88179, it is possible he is thinking ab hammer has taken advantage of his trust.
Still, people supporting ab hammer blindly has caused me problems. When I said that the Richmond Police Dept. knows about Alan Bauldree, this includes the Madison Co. Sherriff's Dept. and the Kentucky State Patrol. He is known where I live. I'm not sure what to say sm0ky because I have made it known to local law enforcement that he was stalking me. His admitting to having posted on woodworkingtalk.com proves that. It also let's law enforcement in Kentucky know that when I was frustrated beyond belief, it is because I was being stalked. He admitted to it.
And now instead of law enforcement watching me, they'll be watching him. And for me, that is a relief.

More BS!! Lindgaard. You come to this forum after being banned several times and post lies about me and even a string AB Hammer to attack with lies, and you call me a stalker? You e-mail me with BS that doesn't even make since and threats as well. You post on my you-tube with lies as well. I have a large stack of evidence ready for any legal needs due to you just wont stop attacking me. The only stalker is you James Lindgaard.