Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System

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Nink is trolling this thread.

1.)  Nink asserted that the device will only work when it is raining.  <----Totally False!

2.)  Nink asserted that somebody was spraying mist.  <-----Totally False!

3.)  Nink asserted that this isn't a form of renewable energy.  <-----Totally False!

4.)  Nink asserted that an electrical fan was used in the video for the rotary engine.  <-----Totally False!

5.)  Nink asserted that an electrical pump is required to inject humidity-controlled air into an enclosed chamber for it's proper operation.  <-----Totally False!

6.)  Nink asserted that a water pump is required to move the moisture back to the water reservoir.  <-----Totally False!

7.)  Nink asserted that it takes 10x the output of the device to move the water back to the reservoir.  <-----Totally False!

8.)  Nink asserted that the device is a closed system.  <-----Totally False!

9.)  Nink asserted that two environments (1 humid and 1 dry) can't be maintained.  <-----Totally False!

.......stay tuned for more false assertions, more misinformation, and more deceptions by Nink!

Gravock

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i missed the point of the reservoir up till now. i get it now. thanx.

amazing how much force against gravity spores can create. that is alot of lifting power and that component of the machine is also renewable.

It's good to see you didn't fall for any of Nink's B.S..  In the video, the oscillatory engine sits on the surface of the water for it's humidity source.  However, it's not a requirement for it to sit on the surface of the water.  It only needs a source of humidity for the layer of spores (muscle) to expand in order for it to open the shutters to release the evaporation and humidity.  Once the evaporation has been released and the humidity levels decrease, then the muscle will contract and the shutters will close again until the muscle acquires enough humidity to expand again to repeat the process.

We could integrate the oscillatory engine into the moisture mill, which will increase the efficiency of the system.  The dryer side of the moisture mill could have layer after layer of spores (multiple muscles) to capture the evaporation released from the spores on the moisture mill and to release this evaporation through the shutters of the oscillatory engine.  The shutters will be around the same height of the water reservoir of the moisture mill.  This makes it easy to recycle the evaporation back to the water reservoir via condensation on the WarkaWater Tower.  This will allow the spores on the moisture mill to release their moisture content at a higher rate, which results in a higher RPM, torque, and energy output for the moisture mill.  Also, additional energy from the oscillatory engine can be extracted.  The important thing is to have the shutters release the evaporation before the muscles become saturated.  If the muscles become saturated with moisture, then the humidity levels will begin to rise on the dryer side of the wheel.

Gravock

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It's good to see you didn't fall for any of Nink's B.S..  In the video, the oscillatory engine sits on the surface of the water for it's humidity source.  However, it's not a requirement for it to sit on the surface of the water.  It only needs a source of humidity for the layer of spores (muscle) to expand in order for it to open the shutters to release the evaporation and humidity.  Once the evaporation has been released and the humidity levels decrease, then the muscle will contract and the shutters will close again until the muscle acquires enough humidity to expand again to repeat the process.

We could integrate the oscillatory engine into the moisture mill, which will increase the efficiency of the system.  The dryer side of the moisture mill could have layer after layer of spores (multiple muscles) to capture the evaporation released from the spores on the moisture mill and to release this evaporation through the shutters of the oscillatory engine.  The shutters will be around the same height of the water reservoir of the moisture mill.  This makes it easy to recycle the evaporation back to the water reservoir via condensation on the WarkaWater Tower.  This will allow the spores on the moisture mill to release their moisture content at a higher rate, which results in a higher RPM, torque, and energy output for the moisture mill.  Also, additional energy from the oscillatory engine can be extracted.  The important thing is to have the shutters release the evaporation before the muscles become saturated.  If the muscles become saturated with moisture, then the humidity levels will begin to rise on the dryer side of the wheel.

Gravock

one concern would be winter.
the wheel would have to inside a temp controlling structure of sorts.
somehow thawing what it needed and sending that to the reservoir.
and the reservoir should maybe be on the lower part of the wheel. you also mentioned that too.

some practical test wheels next.

all choices in best materials and where to buy them..

4 or 5 design considerations

substitutes of low cost

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one concern would be winter.
the wheel would have to inside some sort of temp controlling chamber of sorts.
somehow thawing what it needed and sending that to the reservoir.
and the reservoir should maybe be on the lower part of the wheel. you also mentioned that too.

some practical test wheels next.

material choices..

Yes, winter is an obstacle.  However, there are solutions to the water freezing.  The moisture mill itself could be moved indoors.  The WarkaWater Tower would need to stay outside, and wouldn't be beneficial for collecting condensation when the outdoor temperature is below or near freezing.  This is where an insulated storage tank of water would be beneficial.  The moisture evaporating from the shutters could be fed to your furnace.  The furnace would then distribute the warm moist air throughout your home.  This has quite a few benefits.  It causes the wood around your window seals, etc to swell which decreases heat loss.  You'll feel more comfortable at a lower temperature with a humidified home in the winter and there are health benefits with this also.  There will be some heat loss through the roof, which will aid the sun in slowly melting a snow-covered roof, which could be recycled back to the water reservoir or insulated storage tank.  The home will quickly lose it's humidity, so there is no worry about having humidity build up to such a high level where it would have a negative effect on the system.   I'm just throwing out a few ideas off the top of my head at the moment and I'm sure there are other solutions to this obstacle, such as insulation and/or placing the moisture mill in the ground below the frost line and/or using solar and/or wind turbines to heat the surrounding air of the moisture mill, etc.

Gravock

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Nink is trolling this thread.

I have been responding to questions asked.  My opening question was  "how do you maintain two environments, one wet and one dry?"  The inventors manually moved water to the top of devices to achieve this and the energy consumption to move the water exceeds the energy created by the wheel.    The premise of the invention is that the paper remains wet.  You have to keep the paper wet to make it work. You can only keep the paper wet by providing moisture to the paper. Either manually placing it in the reservoir as you see in the video or pumping moisture to just 1 half of the device. 

If the entire device was in a humid environment it would not work.  Both sides the spores would be wet and the wheel would become balanced and not rotate.

The invention as stated will not work without external intervention (manually moving water, fans or pumping in humid air).  You are trying to make it work using additional systems that further complicate the design and provide a strawman for your additional arguments that it works.

I agree the spores are quite amazing but I don't agree they can be used to generate power.  The inventors should be focusing on designs such as cut off relays for electronics when devices become moist (spores expand break circuit to battery), window defogger sensors that switch on when expanding and moisture builds up on car windows. There are lots of applications but perpetual motion wheels are not one of them.

I continue to assert that you can not have 2 separate environments with a wheel moving between them so it has to be open on one side. If it is open the environments will equalize unless you provide some type of system that is powered to maintain these 2 separate environments. If this is not the case the device will quickly equalize and stop functioning.