The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.

[Speedy23]

How about this: mechanism consists of 2 pairs balancing magnets and shield at either end as per LFMA patent, 2 reciprocating connecting rods each terminating in S & N pole magnets as shown below, con rods to be  linked together by rachet or escapement "X"  and  suitable linkages from ratchet to move shields from (a) to (b).  (I= shield, <- or -> = force direction and conrod/magnet assembly motion )

(a)

N           S------------------N I S     F and motion = <-
                     X
N I S------------------N           S     F and motion = ->


(b)
then switch the shield position by a linkage from "X"  so:

N I S-------------------N           S    F = ->
                      X
N             S------------------N I S    F = <-


Question: would this "hang"?.....or by timing the insertion/shaping of the shield and using a suitable flywheel on the rachet could this be overcome?

[cache]

thevorlon - your comment that Steorn may have used a shield in the past but do not use it on their current desiogn is possible. But, if that is true, Sean is still not being honest by saying it has nothing to do with it. Quit trying to defend Steorn. They are trying to validate and defend their invention, give them the space to do what they must to accomplish those goals. At the end of the day it matters not to the world or Steorn whether you or I got mislead along the way.

That said, suppose you're right, suppose they used a shield in an earlier design but now do not. Why chose to replicate one over the other. If we can replicate either we have proof of over-unity. Steorn has given us no clues at all on how to build without a shield. On the other hand, if we try to replicate a shield type design Steorn has given us clues to work with. There have been hundreds of serious proposals for non-shielded motors, none of which work. The best way to start building a non-shielded motor (absent any clues from Steorn) would be to cook up one more design that is different from all of the hundreds that do not work. The starting point for building a shielded motor is to review the two or three serious past proposals for a sheilded motor and isolate what is unique about Sterorn's LEMA clue.

We are not trying to re-invent the wheel here pal, we're just trying to re-invent Steorn's wheel.

[thevorlon]

Speedy,

That sounds like an interesting setup.

I do have a question I would like to ask about magnets. I was going to order some magnets last night, and spent about five hours looking up information about them online. However, I have never handled a neomydium magnet before. Just how strong are they? I need some idea before I make an order or at least further consider what I'm going to try and build.

How far away is the repulsive force for smaller neomydiums lets say one half to three quarters of an inch in diameter and about one eighth inch thick? I mean, what is the maximum distance that they will interact with one another? What about for a full one inch diameter and eighth inch thick magnet?

Also, does the field extend further out when you have more surface area?

Also, does anyone here know of some free flux mapping software which will map the various shape of flux of various shapes/sizes of magnets?

[JackFrost]

Gentlemen,

Don't be so gulible.  The word trajectory wasn't being tossed around two months ago - was it?  Steorn was not flat-out denying that the LEMA had anything to do with the OU device.  Now - "mums" the word and deny, deny, deny.

USPTO already has at least a dozen other patents for PMM's that require no input power and run continuously (at least that is what they claim).

Why complicate something that works with fancy trajectories.  Shaun stated that the trajectory results in a velocity hit on the way in and a plus on the way out - and the plus out is larger than the hit in.  Then you have to balance it, yada yada yada...

With a shield (properly called a "shunt") you get a plus on the way in AND on the way out.

The only thing unique about the LEMA is the method in wich the shield is allowed to move - i.e. on a rail (linear bearing) .  There must be at least 20 other ways to do this without the rail.

Software?!?!? Never held a magnet?!?!?  I'm waisting my time....

[thevorlon]

Cache,

I'm trying to defend Steorn simply because (not accusing YOU of being this way) so many people have bashed and attacked them recently in a ruthless sort of way. I can understand honest but open minded skepticism. That's a good thing. But downright closed minded, hateful, and spiteful slander is quite something else. I'm sick of it.

Your right in one thing. We can try to both replicate the technology with the LEMA design and some of us can try with just permanent magnets. And your right, if either one gets built and becomes truly over-unity the goal has been accomplished.

However, what I'm hoping is that we can build a device where we don't have to use batteries or electrical means to move some shield around. People will then jump up and attack us by saying that we are using more energy moving the shield than what we are getting. Even if some of us use shielding in our attempts I hope we can build something where you place the magnets and shields in certain positions and the device starts to work.