MH's ideal coil and voltage question

[poynt99]

If a capacitor is charged, it took a certain amount of energy to charge it, and the capacitor is left with X Joules of energy in it. It is safe to say that the capacitor is a source of energy, potential energy. The same for a storage battery.

What about an ideal voltage source? It is conjured up from the theoretical realms of discussions on electrical engineering and does not require a precharge before it can function as a voltage source with unlimited current. How much power and energy can it deliver? In theory those quantities are infinite, if it is a true ideal voltage source. "Power" is basically VxI, and "Energy" is essentially how long it can maintain that power output. Again being an ideal source, both are potentially infinite.

Can we say then that an ideal voltage source is an energy source? I think it's more an issue of philosophical debate than a technical one.

[MileHigh]

Brad:

You are not exactly a Rhodes scholar, are you?

I thought it was an ideal voltage source that contained no energy,but now it is a power supply

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All that you did in your posting was degenerate into a sad clown.  You could not understand this simple circuit consisting of a power supply and one single component so you ended up withdrawing and you wouldn't even share your test result because the result refuted your latest crazy pet theory.  You had to be asked to share your result.

And in that last posting you do a sad clown silly chicken dance and basically admit that you give up.  It's really sad.

you seem to be the only one in the world that has a self resonating wine glass

So says the dancing chicken.

MileHigh

[tinman]

If a capacitor is charged, it took a certain amount of energy to charge it, and the capacitor is left with X Joules of energy in it. It is safe to say that the capacitor is a source of energy, potential energy. The same for a storage battery.

What about an ideal voltage source? It is conjured up from the theoretical realms of discussions on electrical engineering and does not require a precharge before it can function as a voltage source with unlimited current. How much power and energy can it deliver? In theory those quantities are infinite, if it is a true ideal voltage source. "Power" is basically VxI, and "Energy" is essentially how long it can maintain that power output. Again being an ideal source, both are potentially infinite.

Can we say then that an ideal voltage source is an energy source? I think it's more an issue of philosophical debate than a technical one.

In relation to the question that this thread is about,then the answer is very clear. As there is onlt the two components described in the question,one being the ideal coil,and the other the ideal voltage source,then for any current to pass through the coil,we need to supply it with power,and to provide power we need energy. The only other component in the question is the ideal voltage source,and since it is this ideal voltage source that is providing the power to the coil,it must contain the energy that can provide that power.

Any energy absorbed by the ideal voltage source by way of the coil,must also be contained within that ideal voltage source,as it cannot dissipate any power,as it's ideal.

Why these questions are so hard to answer in relation to the question being debated here,is beyond me . Energy just dose not disappear,nor is it just absorbed without being contained--as it cannot be dissipated by either of the two components in the circuit.


Brad

[tinman]

Brad:









MileHigh

You are not exactly a Rhodes scholar, are you?

Not at all.
But i bet your ass i have a larger skill set than you do MH.

All that you did in your posting was degenerate into a sad clown.

Here we go again with the insults.
You always revert to this when you know you are falling behind MH.
You need to find another hobby.

You could not understand this simple circuit consisting of a power supply and one single component so you ended up withdrawing and you wouldn't even share your test result because the result refuted your latest crazy pet theory.  You had to be asked to share your result.

Well thats pretty funny coming from some one that thinks energy just disappears,and an ideal voltage source dose not contain any energy.
But you also failed to provide just one type of voltage source that dose not contain energy--not one.

And in that last posting you do a sad clown silly chicken dance and basically admit that you give up.  It's really sad.
So says the dancing chicken.

You see the bit highlighted in red MH-->that is another lie from you-->yes ,thats right,a LIE,plain and simple.
You need to stop bullshitting MH,you really do.

From Wikipedia:  A synonym is a word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language. Words that are synonyms are said to be synonymous, and the state of being a synonym is called synonymy. The word comes from Ancient Greek syn (σύν) ("with") and onoma (ὄνομα) ("name").

I'll keep that in mind,next time you insist that the rest of us be accurate with our descriptions of components 

So MH,you going to take up my challenge,or is this just a !!MH only gives out challenges!! forum,where everyone must take up MHs challenges,but MH will do what ever it takes to avoid being challenged.


Brad

[MileHigh]

Brad, you can't even understand what the implications are when you work with the concept of an ideal voltage source.  There is no hope for you.