MH's ideal coil and voltage question

[tinman]

  Just answer the question.

I have answered the question many times.
Where are you reading?.

Brad

[tinman]

  Just answer the question.

Here is an idea John.
Instead of posting pictures of your farm animals,and non related comments--post your answer to the question here on this thread


Brad

[Magneticitist]

I think the confusion lies in the general ridiculousness of the intended point.
The question is apparently geared to asses your knowledge of circuit operation by seeing how institutionalized you are regarding EE fundamentals as they are taught in a classroom setting.
no matter the logic you provide, until you work out some mathematical answer in detail based upon the numbers given your answer will not be considered. If you worked out the math to please them it would be pointless because as you have already stated you are in disagreement with the general nature of the question.

it's kind of like walking up to a mechanic who can take an engine apart and put it back together in better working condition than it started and saying "hey, work out how long this engine is going to last in minutes assuming I drove it 24hrs a day at at 50 mph, and there's no friction anywhere in the mechanical operation.. do it on paper and show me your entire work... oh? you can't? you clearly have no idea what you're doing then and should probably learn how to use a wrench before putting that engine back together"

MH and others want the question to be answered in the same form it would if you were a student in their EE class and it was assigned as a piece of homework. I'm not entirely sure the specifics of what they even want worked out, but I'd imagine a detailed explanation of the near characteristics of the coil over a scale of time given L is 5H. but is that even a common kind of EE question the way it was asked?  Right now I'm in the position of just being curious as to how they want the question answered. I feel like I can actually learn something from this exercise but it's being made more difficult than it needs to be.

[minnie]

  I don't want to spoil the fun, you'll get there in the end!
                   John.

[wattsup]

Yes, all this does not detract from the ideal voltage source not being able to drop to anything else but its ideal voltage even in time. There would not be an eventual drop to 0 volts because the source would not care about an ideal inductor in any case, infinity or not. So............. even if the current rose to infinity and the inductor was totally destroyed, you would still have your source voltage unchanged. And there in lies the chicken and egg rub.

As well, you can analyze this until the cow jumps over the moon, but you will still not know what actually happens inside a coil and @MH, that includes you. Just because you can rationalize or try to rationalize these mind games, not one iota will be discovered on the coils true function, you are still stuck with only the mind effect.

Actually this is a good comparison for me because in SC current is the number of atoms active in energy conveyance and voltage is the depth at which conveyance occurs. Put 1 volt in a 5H coil that has a cvr tapped in the coil center and wait. The current having a finite number of atoms in the inductor, ideal or not, would be the limiting factor so you would not have any need to ponder ideal conditions to actually know what is happening inside your coil. Hence why I asked the question of wire gauge tables not defining their complete tests. Meanwhile you guys would still be scratching your heads wondering how a coil can handle infinite current.

So the question for you guys is simple. How can an ideal voltage provide infinite current. That is like saying a 46AWG wire should be able to render an infinite AWG wire red hot for infinity. hahaha And this is the same EE that calls OUers out-of-the-box crazy.

Maybe it's better to just chew on ideal gum with ideal jaws.

wattsup