MH's ideal coil and voltage question

[tinman]

I am going to give the answers to you that you couldn't figure out for yourself.  I was hoping and praying that you would apply yourself and push yourself and actually get up the learning curve by yourself, perhaps with just a little bit of help if you showed a desire and were really trying.  I am sure many others were hoping that you would do that too.  But no, it was a just morass of stupid fighting and stupid battles about what amounted to a whole bunch of stupid time-wasting junk.  You gave up and looked for your blanket in the form of wanting to play again and modify a motor. Then throw in the fact that you act like some bloody four-year-old child that lies when asked if he ate the last piece of chocolate, without realizing that he has melted chocolate at the corners of his mouth.

The answer is that the ideal coil integrates on voltage with respect to time to yield a current flow.  This has already been stated many times, but not in plain English like I am telling you now.  It's just like a shopping cart integrates on the force you push on it to yield a velocity.  Beyond that you wouldn't even touch the three variations on the question and if you did, you would have come to realize that a capacitor integrates on current flow with respect to time to yield a voltage.   Essentially the same as an inductor, you just have to swap voltage for current.

These are the most basic fundamental concepts that anybody that plays with electronics must understand, and all that you want to do is give up and play with another motor on your bench.

And in this day and age they make it so damn easy for you, there are actually integral calculators right on web sites.  Se even if you don't know how to do an integrate, there are web sites that will do it for you.  All that you need to have is an understanding of what integration means.

Partzman's question:   You have an ideal inductor of 5 Henrys.  If the ideal voltage source is a linear ramp that starts a zero seconds and ends after two seconds with a voltage of two volts, then what is the current?

That means that the equation for the current is i = t.  That's it, it's as simple as that.

The integration web sites use 'x' as the variable.  Therefore we can say that the equation for the current is i = x.

That means you just put 'x' into the integration calculator and press the button and get the answer.

Here:  http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp

Once that is done the question is 99% answered for you.  Do you have what it takes to give the actual final answer for Partzman's question?

Has anyone else taken up the challenge to answer the question?-was verpies correct?.
Where is this ideal coil and ideal voltage source?


Are you going to take up my challenge,and see how real world devices actually can be made to work?
Or are you going to continue with your unfounded claims and rants against me?
If so,your words have no meaning ,and carry no weight at all--actions speak louder than words MH.

It's all well and good to claim you know more than me about how inductors and magnetic fields react with one another on paper,but why not show that it is also true in the real world?
Lets see who is limited to there understandings on the subject matter.

My challenge stands MH.
Grow a pair,and take me up on my challenge.
Poynt will be doing the final measurement's,so what do you have to be afraid of?.

Brad

[MileHigh]

Brad, you are so impossibly thick-headed and dense sometimes that it amazes me.

That shows how little you know.
You hit the bell,and the bell will ring--and it will ring down,and there for,it is not resonating at all. It is ringing down at it's natural frequency-slowly dropping in amplitude. When an object is resonating,it is oscillating at maximum amplitude at it's natural frequency. The fact that you dont know this,was your undoing in the JT thread.

The "natural frequency" and the "resonant frequency" are synonymous, they mean the same bloody thing.

[MileHigh]

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The only one being dishonest here,is you MH--and thats a fact.

More lies--and bad ones.
I have never made any such claim's as the likes of the QEG mob,nor Naima Faegin.
You trying to associate me with those people just go's to show what kind of a low life you really are.

What is extremely distasteful,is your lies--one after the other,and your unfounded claims against me.
I really dont care how mad you get,as you bring it on your self.
You continue to make false claims against me,but you avoid taking me on in any real world application of your book science. How did your book science go when the engineers built the Tacoma Narrows Bridge?--didnt work out to well for them-did it. Do you know why it didnt work out so well MH,regardless of the fact that it was designed and built by the worlds best engineers?-->because they did not take into account unforeseen circumstances where forces acting in perfect harmony could give rise to enough energy to bring the bridge down. Such forces exist in the electromagnetic world as well MH,whether your books like it or not. It is just a matter of finding the right balance at the right time-something you will never understand.

What this thread shows,is how low you will stoop to try and make yourself look good.
There is nothing nasty about me MH,and the only reason you say that,is because you dont have the guts to take me on in the real world--thats a fact you have proven yourself here on this thread.
You are all words,and your words mean nothing at all. The fact that you think there is nothing in the rotoverter,just shows how far behind you are.

That shows how little you know.
You hit the bell,and the bell will ring--and it will ring down,and there for,it is not resonating at all. It is ringing down at it's natural frequency-slowly dropping in amplitude. When an object is resonating,it is oscillating at maximum amplitude at it's natural frequency. The fact that you dont know this,was your undoing in the JT thread.

If your scientific forum says any other than this,then you need to join another scientific forum.
The pure scientific meaning of resonance,is one object vibrating with maximum amplitude at it's natural frequency,and where an outside force is the provider of that energy required that is acting upon the resonant object--such as the Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse. In this case,the bridge was bough down due to aeroelastic flutter.

I achieve much on my bench--what do you achieve?.

Yes,because you are to busy looking at your 5H inductor,and forget about what is happening within the ideal voltage source. A current flows through the ideal voltage source,as well as the ideal coil. The ideal coil has inductance,but the ideal voltage source dose not. The ideal coil has impedance,but the ideal voltage source dose not. At T=5 seconds,you place a voltage across !not only the coil!,but also the ideal voltage source that has current already flowing through it. This voltage polarity is opposite to that which created the current flow that is flowing through the ideal voltage source. But for you MH,the transition is just going to nice and smooth--isnt it?. How dose your !water through pipes! cope with this one MH?
Let me guess--the water just disappears,so as the flow can now start in the opposite direction

You only have the mind set to see what you want to see MH,and that only means you will never see reality.
You might be happy to live with that,but i am not.

I will be putting a simple rotoverter together this weekend,and i will be asking you a question.
Lets see how you go with that--lets see if you know more than me,when it comes to actual devices that involve inductors and magnetic fields.

You also need to back up your claim's,and take me up on my challenge--to prove to everyone that you do actually know more about inductors than i do,and how they react with magnetic fields.
Until such time,your words and accusations toward me, are nothing but rubbish and lies.


Brad

Your so happy making claims on everyone's abilities,but you have none of your own,nor can you/do you ever back up any of those claims by way of real world devices.
As i said--everything looks fine on paper to you-->as they did with the engineers that designed the Tacoma Narrows Bridge .

Carry on with your idiotic claims against me MH,but remember this-->you are the one that is afraid to take me on in a real word challenge,and that there is a fact.


Brad

Most of what you say is a bunch of crap and like I said, it's bloody hopeless with you for many things.  You have lied so many times about so many things, that it's more like you have been dipped in chocolate.

[tinman]

Most of what you say is a bunch of crap and like I said, it's bloody hopeless with you for many things.  You have lied so many times about so many things, that it's more like you have been dipped in chocolate.

More lies.
Everything in that post is correct,from what resonance really is,to how and why the Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapsed.

This just shows you have an !automatic! crap button set for me,even though everything i say is correct in that post.


The biggest pile of crap is from you MH. Every claim you make against me,you cannot back up.
You know dam well that i will fry your ass in any actual device built around each of our understandings. The fact that you will not take me up on my challenge ,speaks volumes about your actual skills. So many claims at how much you know,and how skilled you are mechanically -along with your lathe skill's,but you dare not take me on--not even to build a simple JT.
And why will you not take me on?--because you know darn well that if i build the more efficient device,then everyone here will know your skill set is very low.

I mean-come on MH-->a JT for crying out loud--how hard can it be?
You claimed that your JT circuit was the most efficient of them all,and mine was nothing but a power hungry fail,so back up that claim .

Your just claim after claim--everything you know is the best of the best,and i know very little. Buy you refuse to take me on in any kind of actual device build.
No JT,no pulse motor,no rotary converter--nothing.

Your hollow words mean nothing to me MH,and i(along with others) have seen your true colors.
Your not here to help,your just here to see how much shit you can cause,and how much you can deter people from seeking the truth.
Your a bad influence--plain and simple.


Brad

[MileHigh]

Yes,because you are to busy looking at your 5H inductor,and forget about what is happening within the ideal voltage source. A current flows through the ideal voltage source,as well as the ideal coil. The ideal coil has inductance,but the ideal voltage source dose not. The ideal coil has impedance,but the ideal voltage source dose not. At T=5 seconds,you place a voltage across !not only the coil!,but also the ideal voltage source that has current already flowing through it. This voltage polarity is opposite to that which created the current flow that is flowing through the ideal voltage source. But for you MH,the transition is just going to nice and smooth--isnt it?. How dose your !water through pipes! cope with this one MH?
Let me guess--the water just disappears,so as the flow can now start in the opposite direction

It's no surprise, you are completely and utterly lost.  After all that work.

"You place a voltage source across a voltage source?"  You have got to be kidding.

No, the water simply starts to slow down, it does not "disappear."  It's bloody rocket science.