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car energy consume improvements

Started by lancaIV, July 02, 2016, 07:40:03 AM

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Cloxxki

Quote from: lancaIV on September 19, 2023, 06:19:01 AM
Why not as ' urban pedal generator mobility' ?
Bring down the 225 Wh by ' voltage/current amplifier' ?
How much we can pedalling in Watts per hour,conventional or improved generator/alternator ?
75 W per hour an adult,150 W per hour with improved drive !?
https://www.re-innovation.co.uk/docs/pedal-generator-info-and-ideas/

Option : Solar panel on tect,wind turbine ( resistance/drag versus gain),
brake energy recuperation !

Yes,we have the 24/7 stop-less mobility technology !

But is there a need ? For 1%,10%,up to 100% of world daily moving  population !?
Small e-mobile mass production,beside Micro-cars :
GM-Wueling in China versus Citroen Ami/Opel Rocks ?
Technical comparison,financial comparison !
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuling_Hongguang_Mini_EV
https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a36351549/citroen-ev-coming/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuling_Bingo

Is the industry really trendsetter ?

Streetless mobility concept ,'flying egg'  ;) :
https://www.urbanairmobilitynews.com/air-taxis/volkswagen-developing-flying-car-with-china-business-partner/

wmbr
OCWL
What are those magicat Watt per hour you reference? Doesn't seem a unit I was taught about.
Please if you're not sure, look up what W and Wh mean.

"W per hour" means J/s/h those an increase of power every hour, by one Watt. I doubt that's what you mean here.

A casual bike ride for a typical adult human could be 75 W, wouldn't break much of a sweat.
75 Watt, not per hour, not per second, not Wh, just 75 Watt. 75 Joules per second.
When I go for a spirited bike ride of around two hours, I will average over 200 W, but I'm a big boy and and I was born for aerobic performance sports and it does very much tire me.

With modest speed ceiling, urban vehicles with decent comfort (rain and cold proof) could need limited power. It takes larger bicycle-like wheels for low rolling resistance but high grip, integrated into a bubble-like body, much like the hovering car from that movie referenced in that VW article.
To cruise at 30 kph on level roads, such a vehicle would need little more than 250 W. With hills/bridges, snow and wind to contend with, power demand at 30 kph will be quite a bit more. Easily over 1 kW, let alone with 2 occupants going over a bridge with slushy snow and a headwind. Now, with e-bike technology, it's rather easy to get a few kW of peak power for such instances. For traffic safety, acceleration would best be kept in check and peak power only used for special situations.
If it's freezing out and the bubble isn't too well insulated, a heater to make a sole occupant comfortable in a shirt...would take a lot more energy than to merely drive it at 30 kph. Small EVs regularly pull 1-1.5 kW to keep the car comfortable when parked.
Proper application of insulation can help a lot there. the good thing about insultation is that it tends to be light weight, all you need is a lot of air bubble. Styrofoam, or even better: aerogel, if you can keep it from disintegrating. Double glazed windows are great normally, but less for an e-bike kind of arrangement.
Keeping a pedal assist in the little car would help the occupants warm a lot, of course. Fighting condensation will be a bigger problem than the drivetrain for such a super light car.

When a vehicle needs to operate on motorways, say with a 130 kph top speed which is well within its power ceiling to remain nimble in traffic, power requirement and energy store are a lot more significant.

https://www.peravescz.com/
I've loved this concept for decades. I bet the power demand is very modest.

https://aptera.us/
These guys are making someone even more comfortable, but it's a WIDE beast. Footprint on the road of a clumsy supercar. Its main failing is that it doesn't fly, you still get stuck in traffic with the other human cattle.

lancaIV

A typical, relatively fit, person through pedaling motion can generate around 50 to 75W for a length of time (typically hours), or up to 700W for very short bursts (seconds) or 200-300W for short bursts (minutes).
https://www.re-innovation.co.uk/docs/pedal-generator-info-and-ideas/
When I pedal 75 W energy in one hour I reach 75 Wh power ( gained and consumed ) !

The question is not what we can reach as top-athlete,but as average person and without great effort !
Female chemical 1-day power in Wh ?https://www.recumbent.news/2022/07/24/breaking-news-nici-walde-has-broken-her-own-24-hour-world-record-and-rode-1130-km-702-miles/
1130 Km/24h ~ 47 Km•h average velocity = over 40 Km•h max. City speed limit !

Personal assistance,mechanical and/or electrical/pure magnetical ( torque amplifier )

We do not invent,but we improve existent/exposed ideas ,f.e. pedal/velo car :

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mochet
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclecar
https://www.wired.com/2009/03/the-past-is-pre/

Cloxxki

Quote from: lancaIV on September 19, 2023, 10:01:26 AM
A typical, relatively fit, person through pedaling motion can generate around 50 to 75W for a length of time (typically hours), or up to 700W for very short bursts (seconds) or 200-300W for short bursts (minutes).
https://www.re-innovation.co.uk/docs/pedal-generator-info-and-ideas/
When I pedal 75 W energy in one hour I reach 75 Wh power ( gained and consumed ) !

The question is not what we can reach as top-athlete,but as average person and without great effort !
Personal assistance,mechanical and/or electrical/pure magnetical ( torque amplifier )

We do not invent,but we improve existent/exposed ideas ,f.e. pedal/velo car :

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mochet
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclecar
https://www.wired.com/2009/03/the-past-is-pre/
75 Wh is not power, it's energy.

Energy is power times time. 75 W average power, and after an hour indeed that amounts to 75 Wh of energy.
The units are not optional suggestions or there to be juggled with.

Even if you build an amazing OU device at super low cost, if your one-page pitch gets any of the the units o of your achievements wrong, no company will be particulaly interested to even see your demonstrator.

See the links I added in my above post.

lancaIV

https://www.google.com/search?q=work%2Cenergy+and+power&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
for getting the each right a. work b. energy and c. power formula

The cabin roller or Aptera for under 5000 US$,fob factory ?
Today in A.I.-administrated fabrication factories ( included 3d print )we shall anymore pay for imaterial value,only for the transformation and material input costs !

I prefer http://www.evalbum.com/314 instead Aptera,related the chinese girl 'flying egg' (VW challenge in China) I recommend,e-strip independent ,over-road flying/flairing as publicated by Max Mueller Friedrich ,as sonic aircraft

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19750130&CC=DE&NR=2335220A1&KC=A1#
As ' flying/flairing micro-compact-living cabin unit'

Cloxxki

$5000??
If 1/3 of that is in the battery, that's a battery of less than 10 kWh. To have it all soldered up, in a decent case...you might not get more than 5 kWh for that $1667. 50-70 km of range if you drive slowly.
Then, what kind of soap box can one achieve for $3333, everything except battery?

If you want the solar panels so you're less dependent on chargers, add money. They'd be bespoke panels, and need to be hooked up to the drive battery.

$5000 may be doable for a leaning cabin e-bike type of deal, if mass produced. But it would be limited to 45 kph and banned from all roads in many countries probably. Where to park them? You need about the same space as a typical second "city" car the wife uses to haul a child and minor groceries.