A PLACE FOR DEBATE

[Freezer]

Just wanted to give opinions on conspiracy, and pressure from a invisible group.

As you know tesla was on the road to free energy, and was met with a evil force which would do anything to destroy the idea of free energy.  This evil force lies within the energy sector, governments and elitest groups with an endless supply of money.  Steven Mark's couldn't release the information if he wanted too.  If I have it right, he used a companies equipment, and resources.  Its really not even his idea to own.  I would expect these forces are doing all they can to keep him from saying anything, and I bet he's aching to tell.  If you developed this device wouldn't you want to shout it out to the world?  Perhaps.., unless you were met by a force with no limitation, and convincing means. 

I've heard some interviews with so called MIB type military personel.  They have a proceduce in terms of dealing with problems.  First comes the disinformation.  If that don't work, then comes money.  If that don't work, then come the threats, no only you, but against the people you know like family.  If that don't work which is rare, then comes the "smudging."

Lets all assume Steven Mark is what he is, and has the knowledge to build these "TPU's."  Wouldn't he pose a major threat to the monetary systems of the entire planet.  I'm sure if he can do whats alledged in those video's, hes been paid a visit by the ole MIB's.  If thats true they are monitoring this forum, have tapped his house, and have probably tapped many of you .  I'm sure if sm's story is true, a intensive disinformation campain is under way, and false information of all sorts will be flooding in.  Doesn't mean we should give up and let them win.  Even if it doesn't work, we will still have gained knowledge in some form or another. 

Its really sad actually.  I see these inventor build something great, and the first thing which comes to their mind is money.  I don't know if they realise that if they freely released their device, millions around the world would build it, and they would be famous. 

[z_p_e]

I'd like to try and settle the debate once and for all, regarding what should be called a TPU or TPU-like, and what shouldn't.

Two of the clearest facts we know about the TPU and how it operates are:

1) The TPU utilizes kicks as part of the energizing/conversion process. The "kicks" being as they are described by SM.

2) The TPU utilizes a rotating magnetic field in its operation.

The rotating magnetic field is somewhat straight forward (relatively speaking) with everyone...right? The "kicks" point however, requires some clarification.

Even though "kick" at this point in time is not succinctly defined, it does not matter for our purpose here. The important point regarding the kick, is that it occurs at the first moment of electron flow...the moment of connection to the source. This is as described in several instances by SM.

What happens at the moment of disconnection is of no relevance according to Steven. He mentions nothing of that. So this fact categorically eliminates bemf (cemf) spikes as part of the process in Mark's TPU.

So, based on the above logic, the following consitutes the criteria for strictly categorizing a candidate device as being TPU-like, or not TPU-like:

1) If the candidate device does not utilize or exhibit a rotating magnetic field, it IS NOT TPU-like.

2) If the candidate device does not extract or convert power or energy at the first instant of electron flow, it IS NOT TPU-like. Note: bemf occurs when the source is disconnected.

3) If the candidate device utilizes both a rotating magnetic field AND the kick energy, then it IS TPU-like.

Now by "plugging in" the characteristics of a device into this criteria cruncher, one should see quite clearly, that neither the ECD, nor the Cook coil qualify as being TPU-like...strictly speaking. Some have stated that the ECD exhibits a RMF, but to date, that statement has not been converted to a demonstration. Until it IS demonstrated, the ECD does not meet any of the above criteria.

If we do not use this criteria to decide what is a TPU and what isn't, then it simply comes down to what we want to be included in TPU-land, and what we don't.

The ECD is certainly a spinoff of the TPU research, so it's debatable if it should fall under TPU-land or not. It still fails criteria 1) and 2). However, the Cook coil has little resemblance to the TPU at all, and does not appear to be even a spinoff of it's research.

If the decision comes down to a matter of opinion, then we'll be debating forever which devices belong under the "TPU" topic, and which don't.

Darren

[Dingus Mungus]

I would just like to point out that your requirements on a device to be "TPU like" don't include being made of copper, being wound like a TPU, putting out power on a seperate coils isolated circuit... Or any of those things that really define it. It's obvious that your definitions intent was biased and solely to discredit others. My point is the original TPU footage is what inspired this angle of research therefore it IS related, and that regarding this research as irrelevant because someone who CLAIMS to in contact with Steve Mark says so, is the most insane thing you could do in this perticular field of research.

Don't get me wrong we are getting results that do match to "the clues", but what proof do you have that those words even came from SM? How about just a picture of SM and his messenger standing together? Or a pic of SM in a contemporary situation; aka holding a recent magazine or in front of a new building. Something to confirm that SM has even contacted the person in the last 10 years. I doubt we'll see anything with that much merrit, but some proof, any at all???

Now please feel free to flame the skeptic who's spends time/$ on this kind of research.

~Dingus Mungus

[otto]

Hello all,

@Darren,

so, you say the ECD is NOT a TPU?

Otto

[z_p_e]

I would just like to point out that your requirements on a device to be "TPU like" don't include being made of copper, being wound like a TPU, putting out power on a seperate coils isolated circuit... Or any of those things that really define it.

DM, I'm afraid almost every single point you made is incorrect.

The reason I chose only those two criteria, is because 1) they are undisputable, and 2) they are unique enough in combination to easily identify a candidate device as passing or failing the test. The point of the exercise was to be able to clearly separate the real TPU's from the spinoffs. No other characteristics or device parameters are necessary to do that if the 2 I identified above are used. It's quite simple, if the candidate device doesn't pass 1) or 2), then it doesn't pass...period.

Putting in more parameters such as copper coils, secondary outputs etc, would be meaningless, because these are common to about 3 million other inventions out there. The two parameters I chose above are very unique, especially in combination, and as such would probably eliminate 99% of potential candidates.

It's obvious that your definitions intent was biased and solely to discredit others. My point is the original TPU footage is what inspired this angle of research therefore it IS related, and that regarding this research as irrelevant because someone who CLAIMS to in contact with Steve Mark says so, is the most insane thing you could do in this perticular field of research.

Stating that my only intent was to discredit others is ridiculous. I've simply created a logical test setup, and either the input parameters cause a fail or a pass. No bias whatsoever.

I agree with you that the videos inspired many. However, where would we be without SM's letters? How would you know any details at all about it from only the videos? Be thankful man that Steven felt comfortable enough with Lindsay to share the clues that he did.

And btw, Lindsay has no influence on me whatsoever regarding which research is TPU related, and which is not. In case you hadn't noticed, Lindsay and I are in opposition over the ECD.

Don't get me wrong we are getting results that do match to "the clues"...

I'd like to see or discuss those matches. Indulge me.

...but what proof do you have that those words even came from SM? How about just a picture of SM and his messenger standing together? Or a pic of SM in a contemporary situation; aka holding a recent magazine or in front of a new building. Something to confirm that SM has even contacted the person in the last 10 years. I doubt we'll see anything with that much merrit, but some proof, any at all???

Where did you get all that crap from? It's ironic that you ask for proof that Lindsay has ever been in contact with SM, yet you don't ask for proof whenever someone chimes in with a claim of overunity with nothing to back it up.

Where do you think those letters came from? Lindsay made them up perhaps? If that is the case, then he's done a heck of a job. I've been studying the TPU for over a year, and I have had many exchanges with Lindsay, and I can assure you, he didn't compose those letters.

Now please feel free to flame the skeptic who's spends time/$ on this kind of research.

~Dingus Mungus

I sincerely commend...and thank you for your contribution. You're not the only one however, I can assure you of that.

Cheers,
Darren