A PLACE FOR DEBATE

[z_p_e]

Hello all,

@Darren,

so, you say the ECD is NOT a TPU?

Otto

Otto,

I ask you this...What is a TPU? OR more importantly since we don't know exactly what the TPU is...

What do we know that makes the TPU truly unique?

I am saying, that if we compare the ECD to the TPU using the two criteria I have identified above, those being the RMF, and the kick, and consider the fact that no evidence has surfaced that demonstrates them, it would appear the ECD does not pass the test, and is therefore not a TPU.

Is it really that important to you? If you discover overunity by some other means, why is that not a great accomplishment? If it doesn't work like a TPU yet produces excess energy, what does it matter?

You started working toward a TPU and it developed into somethng else. That's perfectly ok. If you have evidence you can show of a RMF and a kick that is produced at first electron flow, then why not show it?

One thing seems certain; the chances of any one of us hitting on an exact duplicate of SM's devices, are slim, but not impossible.

Darren

[bob.rennips]

Happy Days!!

[Dingus Mungus]

I'm not going to spend hours going through threads collecting scope shots, but positive results have been claimed to have been seen by half a dozen members. They're all achieving these effects via entirely different devices and designs. I'm asking for proof and I'm winding coils of my own in the mean time.

I was not saying they are observing overunity power production, but combined frequencies producing kicks. I hope we are in agreence on this very simple point. I can also assume we all agree that a HV pulse is pretty much required if we're looking for excess power. I don't see where the spikes position in the scope shot is relevent though. This is the first problem I have with your assursions. What makes a HV feedback at the moment of contact better or more usefull than a HV pulse at disconnection? I don't know considering its energizing a isolated coil at 90 degree to itself...

Now you stated that your two requirements are undisbutable yet here we are in a thread called a place for debate. Do you see the latent problem in that assumption? Either your infallible or it is automaticly debatable by its location at the least.

I'd ask how "almost every single point I made is incorrect", but I figure anyone who disagrees with you on this entirely unfinnished unknown project is wrong too.

I mean really... Who the hell get this upset over two threads being in a heading???
Especially when its NOT OFF TOPIC! Their using the same HF pulses to see kicks! That sounds just as relevent as any of the other 200 plus page threads in this section.

~Dingus

[chrisC]

bob.rennips:

Interesting observations on the purpose of NDA's. I would agree the legal implications of NDA precludes any topical discussions to third parties within a usually 2 or 3 year period. Beyond that you are not legally bound(?). I believe this is true.

Since there aren't any specific patents found(?) on the TPU implementations based on videos shown of SM's technology and the 1 year ruling of demo. before patent filing, I can only conclude that whatever happened, whether it's unpatentable technology, discord with that lawyer, conspiracy (Fed.'s) theory or simply the TPU cannot be controlled for safe operations, the person who disclosed these puzzles (SM?) is no fool. The disclosed stuff is just too technical for most people even to comprehend, let alone try to duplicate. Even if it involved a middle man or any other permuttaions, you have to ask yourself, "what is the ultimate purpose?"

I don't think we're ever going to know until the real SM comes clean and unveil his purpose and identity. In the meantime, this journey is indeed exciting!

Regards
chrisC

[bob.rennips]

bob.rennips:

Interesting observations on the purpose of NDA's. I would agree the legal implications of NDA precludes any topical discussions to third parties within a usually 2 or 3 year period. Beyond that you are not legally bound(?). I believe this is true...

If you don't negotiate an NDA you sign then time limit will be worded in terms of 'forever'. This can be disguised in wording to the effect of - any action that may be detrimental to our ongoing ability to exercise our intellectual rights during the development, commercialisation and realisation of XYZ.

But if there was no NDA or the NDA had 'expired' then no need for a middle man.

I agree the journey is more important. I believe the journey is worthwhile because I believe in an 'Ether' which therefore allows for the possibility of such devices.

Bob Boyce has told us everything we need to build something overunity including coil arrangements. Earl's circuit will allow fine tuning and synchronisation of the phase.

All info. is here.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2637.0.html

I'm taking time to reflect on safety precautions.