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TD replications

Started by Floor, November 18, 2016, 11:14:23 AM

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Floor

Its confusing to me as well but here we go.

In the lower right corner of the drawings below....
Written in green letters....

from Position 2....
The output magnet is removed / pulled in the direction of from out of the page
(a near zero input) < 5 grams force
The output magnet is now directly in front of position 2...

How far in front ?  Until it is outside of any significant influence of the magnetic field...

Then it is moved to the right....
This is the zero input you were inquiring about...

Now the input magnet is directly in front of position 1...

Insert it back over the magnet array (back into the magnetic field). 
(a near zero input) < 5 grams force

Ready for the output stroke....



Floor

Quote from: norman6538 on April 17, 2021, 05:44:11 PM

What I wanted to to was to use a small weight to lift a larger  output weight and then use some of the  output  weights to feedback as input leaving extra weights for usable power.. So you can manually move those weights into their positions to do that in order to demonstrate the real work in vs work out and there will be no arguments. Then you can move on to automate it into a self runner.

But first someone needs to verify your setup. Unless I get extra time I doubt I will be that person.


@ Norman
I tend to think in similar terms. 
No worries. 





Floor

@ all readers.

So then,

1.
Self quote
"How far in front ?  Until it is outside of any significant influence of the magnetic field"
End of the quote

I measure the distance until it is outside of any significant influence of the magnetic
field as being 1 1/4 inches.
2.
How far is the    "? at least a few inches"      from the bottom left section of the drawings.

How about 8 inches ?
I think that this distance, (8") will cuase a dead spot in the output force,
near to the center of the output magnets's  travel.  But that is OK.
... ... ... ...

1.875 inches + 1.25 inches = 3.125 inches
3.125 inches x 5grams = 15.625 input energy units
15.625 units x 2 = 32.25 input energy units

8 inch travel x 5 grams = 40 input energy units

32.25 units + 40 input energy units = 72.25 total energy input units

144 output - 72.25 = 71.75 units gain ?





Floor

Next..

Thanks Norman, probably never could have happend with out you.

As Norman6538 sometimes points out, an O.U. of 1 to 1
gets you a self runner, only if the O.U. is after considering
clock works losses.

An O.U. of  2 to 1 will run itself and a second and equal O.U device
as well.

Given that no feed back is needed to run the second device,
it could then power a third device which requires 2 times the
input and delivers 4 time the output, and so on.

All this, only if the O.U. is considered after losses.
.... .... .... .... .... ....

This modified Gotoluc device doesn't actually have a
72.25 : 144   input to output ratio.

It has twice that 144 output.  This is because it gets 144 energy units
out at each end of the output magnet's travel..

72.75 : 288  input to out put.

Its not a marginal O.U..

Floor

It should be understood that the use of large or very large magnets
in configurations like these, will not work out well.  This is because
the strength of magnetic forces decrease rapidly with distance.

In order to get a large energy out put, I recommend the use of multiple
devices rather than a single large device.

   floor