TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"

[citfta]

For many years it was thought the only way to build a CO2 laser was to energize the gases with a spark.  But the Trumpf company in Germany found a way to do it with RF instead.  Their laser was the most efficient laser in the world back in the 1990s when I went to school on it.  I have been retired from industry for almost 10 years now so I have no idea what has been done since then.

But thinking the old way of doing something is the only way it can be done is very foolish.  Just my 2 cents or whatever.

[gravityblock]

Hi PW

Yes,i already have a condenser,plus primary and secondary dryer's.

The water will also not rise above 30*C,as we are using a high voltage and low current.

I have seen too many video's ,where steam is poring out of the output tube,and they think it is all HHO.
No such error's will happen here.

I will also be subtracting 10% of gas volume from the end result -as an error buffer.


Brad

High voltage and low current to keep the water from transitioning and changing into it's second liquid state, which occurs between 40°C - 60°C (104°F - 140°F) appears to be the key.  More misdirection by Mainstream science (scientism).  They're always giving it to us backwards.... LOL.

Great Job Brad!!!

Gravock

[gravityblock]

As we will be using high grade (316L) S/S,and no additives to the water,there will be no byproduct left in the cells.

All water conduct's,no matter how pure it is,as all water is full of H and O atoms.
The less conductive(higher purity)the water is,the higher the voltage we use.
And the higher the voltage we can use,the less current we need--and the less current we use,the lower the temperature the cell will run at. This means that more of the delivered power is used to produce gas,and less used to produce heat-unlike those who used low voltages and high currents--such as that which Faraday's limit was calculated from.


Brad

Faraday's limit was calculated from the second liquid state of water.  Faraday's limit doesn't apply to the first liquid state of water!  ROFLMAO!!!

Gravock

[gravityblock]

Brad,

I like this project of yours a lot, I really do.

Just curious, are you basing your idea in any way on the supposed Stan Meyer Technology, or is this just an idea you came up with (having seen hundreds of thousands of other crazy ideas over the years) ?

I've been studying Meyer's work pretty intensely as of late and I see quite a few similarities, just expressed differently.  I've even been working with a guy out of Tennessee that feels as though he has replicated Meyer's VIC & WFC.  He makes a fair amount of gas at 50mA @ 12v and claims this gas is actually more powerful than typical HHO.  I can't say one way or another about that, I don't have the facts, just his words.  Been trying to walk in his footsteps and see if I can do myself what he has done.  So far it's been a bit of a conundrum--some concepts seem easy and others start to get real complex, real fast.  The fundamental idea behind what Meyer supposedly did is simple--you switch off the molecular bonds that hold the water molecule together and it just naturally falls apart.  There's no brute force involved whatsoever.  But to get there, you have to transition through various states that configure the water molecules in such a fashion where they will come apart without force.  That's the tricky part.  You need just the right amount of overlap between states and the electronics have to be designed and tuned to do this.  If you mess any part of this up, it's a no go.

Anyway, I'll keep plugging along, but I'll certainly be watching how your project pans out.  I like simple and if you have a method for simple that will run a small engine that turns a generator and produces enough output to drive the portion of your system that makes the fuel, that's the ticket right there.  No need to go any further.

Good luck Brad.  I'm pulling for you.


M@

You hit the nail on the head!!!

Gravock

[pomodoro]

Faraday's limit was calculated from the second liquid state of water.  Faraday's limit doesn't apply to the first liquid state of water!  ROFLMAO!!!

Gravock

Interesting, where exactly can I find the scientific article for this special state of water?