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The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?

Started by Zeitmaschine, December 16, 2016, 04:40:24 AM

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Grumage

Dear All.

A fairly simple 3 plate capacitor can be made using a laminator.

Cut 3 pieces of Aluminium cooking foil, heavy duty is best, slightly smaller than the pouch. Laminate the first sheet, not forgetting to make a connection tab with a thin strip of foil placed upon the main sheet and in the centre. Next place the other sheets either side ( with tabs right and left of centre ) and then laminate the whole thing.

I made one like this a couple of years ago but discovered that it's capacitance varied with pressure so perhaps rolling it and placing in a tube might stabilise this effect?

Obviously a glass/foil arrangement would be better but, rather expensive. The pouches can easily be taken to 10 Kv without breakdown, I would be interested to know how much electrical stress they could cope with.

Cheers Graham.

sm0ky2

Quote from: Grumage on December 26, 2016, 06:48:17 AM
Dear All.

A fairly simple 3 plate capacitor can be made using a laminator.

Cut 3 pieces of Aluminium cooking foil, heavy duty is best, slightly smaller than the pouch. Laminate the first sheet, not forgetting to make a connection tab with a thin strip of foil placed upon the main sheet and in the centre. Next place the other sheets either side ( with tabs right and left of centre ) and then laminate the whole thing.

I made one like this a couple of years ago but discovered that it's capacitance varied with pressure so perhaps rolling it and placing in a tube might stabilise this effect?

Obviously a glass/foil arrangement would be better but, rather expensive. The pouches can easily be taken to 10 Kv without breakdown, I would be interested to know how much electrical stress they could cope with.

Cheers Graham.


Thanks Graham


Heavy laminates can hold quite a bit of charge (300-600Kv with most brands)
Obviously the thicker sheets insulate better.
Cheap plastic wrap breaks down at lower voltages
However, an undamaged layer of Saran Wrap (brand of plastic wrap)
       Can hold back something between 1 and 2 million volts.
  It's a little more expensive, ( see dept. of defense force field report for more info)


A side note on this: insulator break down voltage is a factor of capacitance.
Not voltage potential alone.
Capacitance varies with the distance between plates.


Using foil + laminant or foil + plastic sheeting/wrap
   The capacitance will vary with use because the plates change distances.
Opposite charges will attract the plates while like charges will repel each other.
On average, the + in the center will balance out the repelling forces of the two lesser - plates
But in practice these variances are noticible.


I do not use foil anymore, for this and many other reasons.
What I use is a thicker Aluminum Tape.
It's self-adhesive, has a higher charge density per area
More durable than foil, and can hold a charge for quite some time.
It is also called Nashua Tape sometimes.
I say it is the Static-Electricians best friend!
My entire ion generator and all my caps are made from this stuff.
[well except my fast charging caps-
   which are a hollow aluminum tube in a plastic sleeve]


Anyways, rolling the laminated caps up turns them into
"Concentric capacitors" , not the standard way of looking at them but the
Charge induction is the same.


When you are dealing with static charges it is more than just capacitance.
In a simple concentric capacitor (or even two parallel plates)
There is a capacitance as well as an inductance and reactance
   as observed as a single loop transformer


Rolled plates are treated as transformers with multiple turns.



I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

sm0ky2

This becomes a complex induction when you charge multiple plates


Vs just charging one. Polarities also change the equation
Not just in action but also in reaction of opposing charges.
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

sm0ky2

Here I have a 6 plate capacitor
Arranged such that the outer two plates and inner two plates
Are not connected.
These plates charge by induction from the two charged plates
  sandwiched in between.


https://youtu.be/uRICPYRfyWA


With this configuration I am able to get strong 1/2- inch sparks
  at a fairly decent frequency
Still pulling 1.5 watts at the input
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

Zeitmaschine

The point with concentric capacitors is that the Aether should be set in rotary motion (according to Aspden) between the capacitor plates. But what decides about the direction of that motion? There should be a coil (like that) wound clockwise or counterclockwise so the Aether gets a distinct push in one direction in order to get the max. effect out of it - as far as I see this.

High voltage (ceramic) capacitor test series:

Configuration 1: An idle running high voltage transformer is connected through a sine wave inverter to a 12V battery. The ammeter shows a current of 908mA DC.

Configuration 2: Same as before. But now there is a capacitor connected in parallel to the primary coil of the transformer. Independent of the added capacitance the ammeter continues to show a current of 908mA DC without any deviation. So either capacitor and coil are not in resonance, or, if in resonance, it does not affect the battery current.

Configuration 3: The capacitor is connected to the secondary (high voltage) coil of the transformer. Now the ammeter shows clearly a lower battery current (around 1W less power consumption). Adding more capacitance (in the range of nF) results in an even lower current.

Configuration 4: Same as before. But now a spark gap is connected in series with the capacitor. Here the battery current goes up as the ammeter shows. Strangely, preventing a permanent contact results in a higher current.

Those are the measurements. Conclusion?

The capacitor - although not concentric - on the high voltage side collects additional energy from the Aether and reflects that energy back into the transformer, whereas the capacitor on the low voltage side does basically the same, but due to the low voltage that effect is insufficient to be measured.

Further, when a spark gap is connected in series with that capacitor on the high voltage side, that erratic sparking disrupts the flow of energy into the transformer collected by the capacitor. Moreover, it creates a phase shift, so the collected energy from the Aether works against the current flow in the transformer circuit.

Not sure if this explanation is correct, but something odd is going on here.