re: energy producing experiments

[F6FLT]

Is the frame an excuse? Is the frame something used by the smart people; to explain why the rest of us don't understand things that are perfectly simple. F = ma is perfectly simple; I see no need for it to be framed.

F = ma is "perfectly simple" but false if you use it outside its domain of application.

It is false when m is not constant, you must use F=dp/dt instead where p is the momentum.
It is false when relativistic effects cannot be neglected (therefore surely when we consider currents of electrons).
It is false when you measure "a" in a referential and F in another one.
It is false in general: you forgot that F and a are vectors, not scalar.

The two last points are the reasons why your analysis is as wrong as your calculations.
It is not enough to keep the simplest equation because we understand it, to make correct calculations. Physics is not "perfectly simple".

The "perfectly simple" principle that the analysis by the lagrangian of the system is equivalent to the analysis by the forces rules out the possibility of extra energy for purely logical reasons. Hoping to defeat the laws of physics by using the laws of physics is childish because they are internally consistent, it's like searching for a particular case "n" where n+1 would be different from n+1.

I have a reluctance to let things I consider false be said, and in this case I explain why I consider them false, it can help to get out of ignorance as I myself have benefited from others.
That said, I do not prevent anyone from wanting to live in ignorance or illusion.
I even hope that I will be shown that I am the one who lives in illusion, it is enough that those who show illogicality in their analysis of a mechanical system are nevertheless able to build a working looped machine.
So far, I have read hundreds of their claims, but I have not observed the slightest working machine created by their minds.

[Delburt Phend]

F = ma:       Acceleration (a) is equal to the change in velocity over the change in time v/t.  Therefore: Ft = mv.  And mv is a conserved quantity and unabated.

Most of those confused about vectors think a spinning rim has no momentum: because each quantity of mass has an equal quantity of mass on the other side moving in the opposite direction. But in fact all the mass is moving in the same 'vector' direction.

A ten kilogram rim spinning at 3 meters per second, around the arc of the circle, has 30 units of momentum. Proof of this statement can be obtained by wrapping the spinning rim with a string weighted with a 10 kilogram mass floated on dry ice.
When the string comes taut the 10 kg rim will jerk the 10 kg on dry ice to a velocity of 1.5 m/sec. The 10 kilograms on dry ice will have 15 units of momentum and the rim will still have an arc velocity of 1.5 m/sec. The 1.5 m/sec is half the original velocity of the rim: so half the original velocity of the rim is equal to 15 units of momentum. So the original momentum of the rim was 30 units of momentum.

Furthermore: 20 kilograms (the rim and the block on ice) moving 1.5 m/sec is 22.5 joules of energy. But the 10 kilogram rim had an original energy of 45 joule. You cannot claim a 50% loss of heat energy because the despin cylinder and spheres machines move back and forth: in this case 22.5 J to 45 J and then 45 J to 22.5 J

So this simple experiment proves that a spinning rim has momentum and that the Law of Conservation of Energy is false.

Actually it can get simpler than the rim. Do you remember what the governor of an antique steam engine looks like? It is two counter balance spheres. If you released one sphere and then the other a half rotation later the true momentum of the two spheres would be seen.  But the linear momentum they have after release is the same as the momentum they had before release.

The portion of the machine that produces energy (despin technologies) is the only important part; because the other half of the loop is a chain draped over a pulley. 


I have experiments that make energy: that should end all the illusions.    

[F6FLT]

F = ma:       Acceleration (a) is equal to the change in velocity over the change in time v/t.  Therefore: Ft = mv.  And mv is a conserved quantity and unabated.
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Not right. Mv is not necessarily conserved. An accelerating rocket expels its mass of fuel. mv is not a conserved quantity if you look only at the rocket.
The conservation requires that m is the total mass (current rocket mass + expelled mass), and v the speed of the center of mass of the whole, not the speed of the rocket.
The ball is a moving object relative to the cylinder as the expelled fuel relative to the accelerating rocket. You have to consider the whole system cylinder+ball, to calculate where is the center of mass and its speed, it's the only way to prove that mv wouldn't be conserved, otherwise your conclusions are simply irrelevant.

[Delburt Phend]

The chemical energy of the fuel is used as an outside force.  This force changes the momentum of the burnt fuel mass; and that change in momentum is equal to the momentum change of the mass of the rocket (Newton's Third Law of motion). It is never that the kinetic energy change in the exhaust fuel mass is equal to the kinetic energy change in the rocket mass. Energy is not conserved it is always momentum conservation. Yet when NASA predicts the velocity of the thrown masses in the Dawn Mission they predict energy conservation. Apparently NASA is not familiar with the universality of a universal law: Newton's Third Law.

When the spinning Dawn Mission satellite loses 1420 units of momentum: the thrown masses gain those 1420 units of momentum; Newton's Third Law.

There is no outside force applied to the despin of the Dawn Mission satellite. But there has to be an internal force within the closed system that changes the spin of the satellite from 48 RPM to zero RPM. That force is in the cable that causes equal changes in the (spinning) momentum of the satellite and the momentum of the thrown masses. Absolute proof that it is Linear Newtonian Momentum Conservation is achieved when the Double despin experiment returns all the spinning motion back to the cylinder.

Ballistic pendulums prove that small object can only deliver their linear Newtonian momentum to a larger object.  The bullet energy is not conserved in ballistic pendulum experiments.

[F6FLT]

Statements not supported by evidence. Misinterpretations of elementary physics, outside of any science.
Incantations of ignorance, as irrefutable as any religious dogma.
I see nothing here to discuss that would be compatible with reason and rationality.