Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor

[pomodoro]

Stefan while back  kindly shared  some prescious  pages from book by Chernetski with english translations.  they had copyright by Stefan OU.com  1999 from memory.

While he did work on plasmatrons but did not invent them as they say on the net, he also achieved OU with simple two electrode discharge tubes with low pressure hydrogen. A large current of 100A/sqmm is needed for the OU.  Its not the gentle glow tube on the famous youtube video, thats just some prop for the video. On that documentary, the scientist there made it seem that Chernetskii had something. But later, on a web page,  the same scientist guy said that he replicated the experiment many many times , using Chernetskiis notes and came to the conclusion that Chernetskii made errors with phase angles of currents vs voltages {power factors} when he worked out the power and there in no OU.   Whose telling fibs I wonder.

[Danas]

Considering i have same toroidal core you used it would be ease for me to setup and try what you propose. I do have slight problem. To clalify in your PDF you said: First coil was winded on an 8 mm wide coil former. I used layered coils on a coil former because it is more effective than layered around the whole core.[/size] [/size]My question is and pardon my inability to comprehend, how do [/size][size=78%]your toroidal core as a close unit interact with this bobbin.[/size] Please clarify. Winding on toroid is long process and if you have simpler method i would like to use it. In my experience simply having bobbin on top of toroid did not give good results. Simple hand drawing of setup would help. [/size]
Thank you in advance.
David.

Can anyone confirm my observation that there is no current flowing through the load using a scope and a current probe ?


I propose three tests:


Use blocking diodes at one end and leave the other end disconnected. Put load between diodes and measure voltage drop across load and current through it. Both should be zero.


Next add blocking diodes also at the disconnected end and connect diodes together. Power should increase as both outputs are now being used serially but still no voltage drop across load and no current should flow.


Last remove the diodes you just added and just connect the wires together. Result is a normal bifilar coil with blocking diodes on it. Is there any difference in the result ?

[SkyWatcher123]

Hi all, Hi wistiti,

Anyway, open bifilar (and bucking) coils at the output; really interesting...
Thank you Jack for sharing your works! It's remind me Skywatcher experiment at energetic forum "bucking cool inverter" when he/she said to have a working load with open bucking secondary....

Yes, it was a joule thief oscillator, with bucking coil secondaries on ferrite tube core.
The coils were facing each other and only one wire from each coil was connected to non-modified led bulb load.
Other than that, the coils were not connected, so open circuit, electrical wiring wise.
peace love light

[dieter]

@Jack, I think Woopy mentioned 1.6 kHz or something like that, with a 58V pulse, iirc.


I'd have to compare closed (torus or CI) and open core with similar coils to find out whether it makes a big diffrence, as I understand a closed core maintains its magnetism after a pulse, like the Leedskalnin PMH, whereas a simple bar core has so much leakage that it relaxes its magnetic domains rather instantly.


I literarly wound a double helix as termed un your pdf, the 1st half CW and the second half (qmwith the 50 turn offset) ontop CCW. This always results in imperfect fit and undesired gaps. I was thinking it may be better to wind both CW and then just reverse the polarity of one, what do you think?


I also think that when we consider the max output as the amount of loose electrons available in the copper (as there is no flow, only stress), a secondary with many layers and copper will deliver much more current on the same principle, although the timing must be diffrent. With 100 turns, the stress unstress bouncing is so fast, that it even passes a schottky diode both ways, we're dealing with nanoseconds here. With a bigger coil that may not work, but that doesn't matter.


I did not dare to connect my digital meter, because I fried the AC section in a similar experiment with a moskito killer transformer. But based on experience with this LED I had an idea about the output.


So ATM I would suggest not to use a solid iron or steel core, but a laminated or better nonconducting, like ferrite, torus or CI core.I'd also suggest not to use such plastic isolated wire for the primary.


I had to use what was at hand, but I'd suggest to stay close to Jacks setup and improve from there.


@Jack, how exactly would you wind a 10 layer output coil for the operation principle discussed here?
kr

[dieter]

BtW. didn't do amp readings, for the reasons noted, but if you get zero amps, it may be the same effect like the schottky diode tunneling, as I would guess your scope tries to rectify before measuring. Then AC goes into a cap, resulting in zero.


Something really fast is going on here. Like I said, a schottky diodes lets current trough in the blocking direction only for the first few nanoseconds of any pulse.