Bifilar coils and the usage of such.

[jbignes5]

You are right Tinman, I might not fully know the exact method of use for the coil. In that case thatis why I used the direct reference to the one who did do a study on the coil.

I am not wrong about the the path through the device. A serially connected wire is in deed a single path through this coil. Not matter how it is looped it is what I have described. A single path that can be traced through the coil. Take your finger and trace the route starting at one start point of the wire to the end. It doesn't mater that it doubles back and parallels the start point, it is still a single continuous path through the coil. The paralleling is the reason for the increased capacity of that single path, plain and simple.

Although my thoughts on the speed increase might be in error it parallels the physics behind particle accelerators, which is currently vetted in science.

It is not incorrect to listen to a man who has investigated and experimented on these coil. Those quotes I mentioned about the self induction were directly from Tesla himself. You know the guy who is responsible for many many technologies we use today. So the statement that I quoted about self induction were from Tesla himself. If you want you can challenge Tesla by proving why you think self induction is still present in this coil. Tesla says specifically that self induction is negated<!!!! Where is your proof that it is not besides calling me a liar.

It is funny top me that you think magnetism drives everything. I assure you from my tests and the simple logic that we can create a magnetic field with the electric or the coils we use wouldn't produce the magnetic field and we wouldn't have devices such as motor without magnets. Electro magnets are just that. A magnetic field created by the electric spectrum.

Again going back to the accelerator you admit that the particles are accelerated by the electric field. My point exactly! In the pancake bifilar coil the magnetic field is separated to the above and below plane of the coil itself. It has very little to do with the electric currents flowing in the coil. It's a byproduct and a waste product in Tesla's eyes.

As far as me showing you what is right, well that is not my burden. What I am doing, with Tesla's own words, is to show you, you are doing it wrong if you want to investigate this coil. The burden of proof is then you, who is in error of the correct way to use this device for which Tesla tested and actually used in experiments to reach higher voltages with normal matter such as in the wires. The burden of proof is on you and not me, I am merely trying to correct the miss information you guys are spreading. Weather it is intentional or not remains to be seen. I shouldn't have to be made to show you anything if you use the pencil wrongly. It is up to you to learn about this coil and one way is to explore the experiments and proofs Tesla has shown in experiment and put into writing in his patents.

What I see here is a concerted effort to sway experimenters from investigating this coil that was highlighted by his examination of the coil scientifically and where he found a way to gain by  seperating the magnetic field and electric field from each other in essence purifying the fields.

As for your incorrect usage of the coil and the resonant property of this coil. Well the coil have a markedly increased capacitance. The resistance of the wire and capacitance is the reason your improper investigation of this coil is resulting in an r/c oscillator.

Instead of reading Tesla's words on this you seem to think you know better then the guy who refined your electric theories into reality through his devices.
Let me ask you one question? How many patents have you reproduced by Tesla. My bet is very little or few if any. All of the information is there yet you are blind to it for some odd reason.

[jbignes5]

While a radiator for electromagnetic emission produces its field strength by the effect of changing currents; the radiator for electrostatic emission of the type here to be described produces its field strength by the effect of changing potentials.

the important point that electrostatic waves do not propagate into the medium in the same way as electromagnetic waves. In an electromagnetic transmission system, charge is accelerated in an elevated conductor, an antenna, to launch waves omni-directionally into the air. At a receiver, the electromagnetic waves induce a current in the antenna.
The variations in the current are processed by the detection circuitry to replicate the transmitted information.

In electrostatics, it is not necessary for flux lines to detach from an antenna and close upon themselves to propagate a wave that is received at a distant point. The transmitter, in Tesla's plan, oscillates the earth's charge and the receiver is connected to that same charge reservoir. Signals are not launched, but exist as pressure variations in the earth's oscillating electric field. Because the field already exists at the point of transmission and at the point of reception, the propagation characteristics are different from electromagnetic waves.

In addition to the mode of propagation being different, what travels between the transmitter and receiver is different.

In electromagnetic transmission waves are sent out that are picked up by the receiving antenna. These waves induce a current the antenna.

In an electrostatic system a current passes directly between the transmitter and receiver. This current is the same as that which exists in a capacitor, that is, it is a displacement current.

In a standard inductor-capacitor-resistance circuit, when it is energized and oscillating, it is understood that the current that passes through the conductors is completed through the non-conductor of the capacitor's dielectric through a displacement current.
As charge is changed on one plate of the capacitor, an opposite but equal change in charge is seen on the other plate of the capacitor.

In Tesla's system the transmitter and receiver act as the capacitor plates and what passes between them is a displacement current. Displacement current, today, is seen as something of a virtual current, something different from a "real" or conduction current that flows through a wire.
Tesla, however, understood what is meant by an electrical current in the same sense as Maxwell - that "all charge is the residual effect of the polarization of the dielectric and that "the variations of electric displacement evidently constitute electric currents.
As a Maxwellian, Tesla was correct in describing his transmission system as one using true electric currents. Tesla's wireless electrical energy transmission system differed in all three characteristics he claimed - it was not electromagnetic, it operated through the earth or water, and conveyed electrical energy by a current.
Once Tesla's communication method is better understood as a new branch of electrical science that was started over 100 years ago, it will not only have an impact on terrestrial technology, but will have applications in the future for space communications.


Hope that information could "!!shine!!" some minds

Nelson Rocha

Just to help you understand it a bit better Tesla was oscillating the density of plasma that is already around our planet. That is what makes it different then magnetic communication and yes it has more to do with understanding of the static electric phenomena. Remember what Tesla said about statics. If it is genuinely static it is fruitless but if it is dynamic we are set free. And I put this forth that the ones who are objecting without going back to the source to learn more are doing this for a reason or are not truly scientific in their approach of investigating this coil and method.
See he states I am wrong but doesn't provide anything to prove that other then saying so. He asks for proof then simply says he is right. You want to know the proof then research like I have done. Re-learn what it took me so long to learn from the source. I will not hand feed you the answers because the journey to get where I am at, is better at teaching you the methods then my flawed attempt to educate people on the subject. Doing the experiments and reproducing Tesla's work will teach you more then I could ever do. Obviously some don't believe me or even won't. If they want proof then they need to go back to school of Tesla and his methods and let it teach them itself. Again examining this coil outside of the methods of use and correct circuit design for this coil will only net them a mystery. On the other hand doing the experiments and reproducing the devices Tesla made would only teach them in the best way possible.

Now back to the transmission of energy and signals through space. We can all agree that even though matter looks solid it is not. It is separated by something. Well that something is a dark mode of plasma. The source of plasma is our sun. The suns source is connected to the center of our galaxy. That connection is never more present then the arms we see coming from the center of said galaxy. There is a connected flow in that arm and that flow is plasma that rides between all segmented solids such as matter. The plasma density can be varied simply by exciting the matter which surrounds that matter. This draws in more plasma and better conduction can be made between the separated matter. This is why Tesla experimented and focused on high voltage discharges. He was studying what plasma was and how it was attracted to the high potentials in essence condensing or changing the density of the plasma through and around the excited matter.

[nelsonrochaa]

Just to help you understand it a bit better Tesla was oscillating the density of plasma that is already around our planet. That is what makes it different then magnetic communication and yes it has more to do with understanding of the static electric phenomena. Remember what Tesla said about statics. If it is genuinely static it is fruitless but if it is dynamic we are set free. And I put this forth that the ones who are objecting without going back to the source to learn more are doing this for a reason or are not truly scientific in their approach of investigating this coil and method.
See he states I am wrong but doesn't provide anything to prove that other then saying so. He asks for proof then simply says he is right. You want to know the proof then research like I have done. Re-learn what it took me so long to learn from the source. I will not hand feed you the answers because the journey to get where I am at, is better at teaching you the methods then my flawed attempt to educate people on the subject. Doing the experiments and reproducing Tesla's work will teach you more then I could ever do. Obviously some don't believe me or even won't. If they want proof then they need to go back to school of Tesla and his methods and let it teach them itself. Again examining this coil outside of the methods of use and correct circuit design for this coil will only net them a mystery. On the other hand doing the experiments and reproducing the devices Tesla made would only teach them in the best way possible.

Each person has their time, to learn, some take longer. Many will never learn ...
And to each one, freedom confers making their choices, even if are wrong .
Certainly it will not be a mere opinion that will make the most astute to turn from the right path.

Just opinions, and different perspectives nothing more.

Cheers

Nelson Rocha

[jbignes5]

 Again lets hear from Tesla:

First, the capacity of the condensers for a given output is much diminished;
second, the efficiency of the condensers is increased and the tendency to become heated reduced,
and, third, the range of conversion is enlarged. I have thus succeeded in producing a system or method of conversion ***radically different*** from what has been done heretofore—

This means he did it in a radically different method than was done before him or even since. Listen to his words he is showing you this is a radical departure to the current theories he was working from of that time or sadly even now.

***I am adding more to this post, please be patient***

  "First, with respect to the number of impulses, alternations, or oscillations of current per unit of time, and, second, with respect to the manner in which the impulses are obtained. To express this result, I define the working current as one of an excessively small period or of an excessively large number of impulses or alternation or oscillations per unit of time, by which I mean not a thousand or even twenty or thirty thousand per second, but many times that number, and one which is made intermittent, alternating, or oscillating of itself without the employment of mechanical devices."

If you fill this high capacity of wire any subsequent impulse, pulse or AC waveform will oscillate the captured potential in the capacitance. Each train stepping the charge up on that capacitance as well besides ringing the capacity. The circuit needed to explore this easily is an impulse circuit. Described below:

"I employ a generator, preferably, of very high tension and capable of yielding either direct or alternating currents. This generator I connect up with a condenser or ***conductor of some capacity (bifilar coil)**** and discharge the accumulated electrical energy disruptively through an air-space***(spark gap)**** or otherwise into a working circuit containing translating devices and, when required, condensers."

I will give you this advice. Since I have experimented with this device there is a caveat you need to understand.

*******************************Impulse energy has two caveats: 1: Gauge of wire is very important since Impulses of sufficient power will explode small gauges of wire. With matter density needing to be very closely calculated to the Impulse magnitude for stability of the wire you are hitting with Impulses.  2: Impulse trains are better then 1 single blast. This allows the matter to draw in plasma and not explosively blow the matter apart with increased plasma density between the matter itself. Trains of impulses also are better for humans as well. You can think of this as biasing our matter to have better density of conductors in between our matter. Successive impulses being the best method. So the period and Constance of that period has to be maintained. This allows matter to swell gently.*****

There maybe other side effects so keep the devices small in magnitude until we know more.

As another side note. It might be possible that the impulses were designed to form a pseudo sign-wave. Meaning if fed into a capacitor it will oscillate like an AC wave in the magnitude of the impulses. Like a digital conversion to real AC current across a cap.

[Magluvin]

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"I employ a generator, preferably, of very high tension and capable of yielding either direct or alternating currents. This generator I connect up with a condenser or ***conductor of some capacity (bifilar coil)**** and discharge the accumulated electrical energy disruptively through an air-space***(spark gap)**** or otherwise"


Seems to say that the input is applied to the ends of the 2 bifi wires but the other end of the bifi connections are a spark gap?

Mags