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Overunity Machines Forum



A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.

Started by ageofmagnetizm, May 19, 2017, 08:07:51 PM

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Belfior

Quote from: gyulasun on May 21, 2018, 06:58:04 AM
ageofmagnetizm,

No I am not speechless and did not stop teaching, find my words below.

Just briefly:  I am a retired video service and maintenance engineer with 37 years of experience in electronic circuits. I do not need to prove my credentials to you or anyone else: only what I write or comment that is what counts here.  I have received several "Thanks for your help" openly in members posts during the years here.

You can make many experiments, videos: if your measuring methods are wrong, your conclusions are wrong.

The big difference between you and me is: if my collegaues at work or friends explained a measuring mistake I had made I accepted and learned from it not to make it again. You do not accept if your mistake is exposed and continue driving your 1000% efficient generator agenda.

Just one example any readers here can understand: 

you wrote your insertion water heater has about 100 Ohm resistance and 500 W power. 
If you connect it across the 230 V AC mains it would draw 230 V/100 Ohm = 2.3 Amper, right?
(Let's neglect any resistance change due to the heat, it is not significant.) 
If the AC mains had 260 V, then the current draw would be 2.6 Amper.
When you connect this heater directly across your 260 V generator output, you do not show two things.

One is: how low the 260V output voltage drops to because of your 4 generator coils are in series connection and together they have 448 Ohm DC resistance as you measured.

The second is that the moment you connect the heater directly across your generator output the RPM of your motor will drop from the unloaded 1400 to a lower RPM. This means the 260V AC output voltage (which was the unloaded output voltage) will also drop  (lower rotor speed induces less EMF in the coils).

From the 448 Ohm internal coil resistance it comes that the heater cannot draw 2.6 Amper (even if the 260 VAC output would still be maintained) just because its 100 Ohm resistance is added to the 448 Ohm coil resistance: the current would be 260 V / (448+100) Ohm = 0.47 amper.
Heat dissipation in the heater would be 0.472 A * 100 Ohm = 22 Watts and
Heat dissipation in the generator coils would be 0.472  A* 448 Ohm= 98.9 Watts.
Readers here can now answer this question: Is this a hyper efficient generator? 

(The reduced RPM makes the wanted and unwanted dissipations less than the ones above because the 260 V EMF induced in the coils will also be less.)

There is a 3rd thing what ageofmagnetizm does not want to consider: how the input power to the driving motor increases when the heater is hooked up directly to the generator output. The motor is an off the shelf drill motor and there is nothing in it which would prevent the increase of its input power draw when its shaft is loaded (normal Lenz law is in full action). This is why ageofmagnetizm does show any input power measurements: he simply declares this I quote from him:

"Accu marking and manuals say 10.8 volts 1.5 ahmpers and 16.2 watts maximuums, and shaft 15 N/m max." 

So he simply takes it granted that the drill motor would not draw higher than 16.2 Watts, no matter how much counter torque is exerted to the motor shaft when it is mechanically loaded.

Now the readers can also decide what it is worth if someone has zero or 3 reported experiments at youtube with 1 or 7 subscribers versus the 34 reported experiments of ageofmagnetizm with 19 subscribers.

Gyula

Excellent write-up.


ramset

There is not enuff bandwidth here to post Gyula's valuable contributions to this community over the years

I know I always give a sigh of relief when he shows up to help,
and I am not aware of any person here who has ever had an issue with him.

However

I must add there are Plenty who take issue with measurements ,and this always confuses me ,as the scientific method requires measurements and scrutiny.

I have been taught to run Towards scrutiny and not away [yes it stings most times in this area of OU research but it only makes us better and sharper.

respectfully
Chet K
Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma

ageofmagnetizm

Thats quiet a jump from throwing chairs toward practical engineering
and I'll properly comment on new development, just have to close that stats story


where simple stats of sample intruder are compared with stats off one othe guy:


Sample intruder       5 years        2075 posts             1.5 reporded experiments       4 subscribers
ageofmagnetizm     9 years           80 posts               34  reported experiments     19 subscribers[/size]

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ageofmagnetizm

THAT:


Heat dissipation in the heater would be 0.472 A * 100 Ohm = 22 Watts and Heat dissipation in the generator coils would be 0.472  A* 448 Ohm= 98.9 Watts.


That is not 3.5 digits wrong. It fits in bunch of somehow similare result mailed to me by various
engineers across the industry. Different people runned different soft and suggected input of differen variables
and calculated different variants. One made calculations with just 8 magnets rotor and one C-Core with 111 ohm coil without load,
other counted four differnt loads in circuits, one though that wires are round 1mm, others properly  guessed 1/3 mm.


All thouse results fit not far from the center of statistical core and are similar .


One problem with all such complex calculations is that real values of meassured temperature of coil, cores, thermoresitors and magnets
should be processed, dynamics of complex magnetic field needs to be meassured in different regimes, torquemeter and laser-velocity meter should be applyed and so on...but for initial evaluation obtained values are just fine.


One other problem of such calculations are theirs fitting for standard design where magnets move close near coils perpendicular to conductor, while MMEIR-Generators have magnets moving far from conductor also parallel to wires, and there many seamigly small differences.


Hence if one is interesting in new processes there are many ways to go around with stats, I dont mean people seaking reason to lauth
Such as: aha my calculations shows that it does not 1000% but only 200%, What a fake. Do not expect to see truth from one testing played on you-tube, there are many testings released with two last reports, and integration of them is sufficent for conclussions.


Many migh see knothing, but it is not my buiseness to argue with everybody, it is both impossible and unnecessary.
Following publications are sheduled on the end of summer or the end of this year and thouse who sees knothing I ask to mind own busines and find other significant revilations.


So far for now.


https://sites.google.com/site/ageofmagnetizm/home/magnetomechanics


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ageofmagnetizm

And the schruvemasine:
"Accu marking and manuals say 10.8 volts 1.5 ahmpers and 16.2 watts maximuums, and shaft 15 N/m max."


It is very goed one with brilliant accu and brushless PMM and it is also very smart mashine
having small AI build in with microcircuits and bunch of sensors monitiring and optimyzing internal processes.
Once shaft is anchored then AI simply shut down the motor, or accu what it does in many other cases
to prevent damage to any subsystems. I would believe that torque of shaft can rich 30 N/m - but just for an eye blink,
just when just starting but during testing it runns it normal cruise parameters.


Yeah, we still have peggs there, some might wish discussing maimtenence of pegs tooo?