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Why this seesaw is working against physics laws

Started by vikram_gupta11, September 27, 2017, 10:32:03 PM

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vikram_gupta11

Hello,
One more point if I add a 40 cm long box with the top (remember top ,not bottom where ball is located)then the height will be increased and ball will traveled 120 cm and 110 cm.but interestingly the input energy will be same as the height of bottom is remain same.just increased the height of top.
The input will remain same but output will be increased.

Low-Q

Hello Vikram,


As per conversation on Messenger, I have not got time to look into your latest video in detail. But what I suggests, is that the mass in the long tube is falling down because the angle of the tube makes it to.
Further, the experiment needs a hand to repeat the cycle. That means, per definition, that this is not over unity. It might be over unity for the first half cycle, but the device is doing only a half cycle. It need to be self sustained motion. Even acelerate. If you achieve this, you got over unity.
You also lack precicion in your judgment of the experiment. You hand cannot tell the exact energy input. More easily, the energy input is little due to the counterweight. I can see that. However, the experiment is only a half cycle experiment. The "wheel" should continue to spin. But it's not. I do, somewhat, understand how you're thinking. Lifting a mass with little effort, and yet, the mass is falling down with greater energy than the input. That is true for the half cycle. The next half cycle require the rest of the energy, and more, to be accepted as over unity. That's my thoughts.


If you got time, you're welcome to discuss my submerged buoyancy gravity wheel in a new thread here. I also sent you pictures on Messenger. I cannot see where I do the mistake. It MUST conserve energy, but I cannot see where. Not yet.


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vikram_gupta11

Hello Sir,
There is overunity in it .it doesn't matter whether it is half way or full way.you are forgetting one point that the ball has been rotate at 360 degree completely or completed one cycle.
Can you please tell me such device where half way Overunity is being demonstrate d.?
There are three main reason due to which the device is not getting more acceleration.
(1) the tube is not perfectly bound with arm.
(2) the arm get twisted as nail and hole are not perfect.
(3) the most important the counterweight is fixed .if I use a ball as a counterweight in the box then the ball will get jump when 500 gram of long tube hit the top of box .it means the counterweight will be weight less upto that time when ball is in air in the box so the device will get momentum.
These are main reason.

vikram_gupta11

I want to know if I use two piston generator to get energy from this device and this energy work to lift up the system again then will it be considered as an Overunity as the main purpose is to get more output than input.

Low-Q

Quote from: vikram_gupta11 on December 05, 2017, 02:36:17 AM
I want to know if I use two piston generator to get energy from this device and this energy work to lift up the system again then will it be considered as an Overunity as the main purpose is to get more output than input.
If you attach a generator to the falling mass, the mass will fall slower due to its load. Then the kinetic energy will drop, but in return you get another form of energy. In that energy conversion there is loss. So the total outpup will be less than without the generator.
In the video, the seesaw turns some degrees, around 90 degrees or so. If you attach a generator, some of the kinetic energy which earlier was used to turn the seesaw 90 degrees, will drop, so it will turn less than 90 degrees. If you load it 50%, it will turn somewhere around 50-60 degrees.


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