The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....

[norman6538]

Ok, I give up. We are down to semantics, nitpicking and dotting the i's....

With my understanding and some posts that add to my understanding I have a more
complete and satisfactory understanding - so don't confuse me with either the facts or
the truth.

Not really. I will listen but a little more lightly on this subject.

Norman

[Magluvin]

Ok, I give up. We are down to semantics, nitpicking and dotting the i's....

With my understanding and some posts that add to my understanding I have a more
complete and satisfactory understanding - so don't confuse me with either the facts or
the truth.

Not really. I will listen but a little more lightly on this subject.

Norman

lol ok norman  I wont explain anything to you directly again.

So Id prefer if you just read rather than post. Its not helping anything especially if you dont understand the foundations of how the circuit works.

So like you said, just listen, how ever lightly you wish. I wont notice either way

Mags

[tinman]

 author=Magluvin link=topic=17482.msg512317#msg512317 date=1509155591]

Well I suppose that it was just coincidence that you happened by to approve MHS posts(2 out of 3 of them at first, then a bit later approving the 3rd one, that happened to be in between the first approved initially). That has me thinking he asked you to do so. And then said"hey you forgot one!! Like super man you appear, after what you say "I hardly ever get on the forums anymore anyway."  Just sayin....
Do as you wish. It is your responsibility here now. Im out on the moderation thing in this whole topic. Its all yours. Do as you will... Or is it Mhs will...

Not sure if your having a bad day,or have had to much whacky weed Mag's,but i have not approved or removed any ones posts in this thread--i have done nothing but read,and make the comments i made--thats it.

First thing I see, Is you come here as some authority on this, claiming that you havnt seen anyone fully describe the circuit yet. Well then if you are really 'in the know' about these ignition systems as they really should be, then 'you should know' that there is suppose to be a ballast resistor in series with the primary which would bring the actual coil voltage down to 6-7v, not this 14.4v as you clearly state here.  So you dont know what your talking about either. Otherwise you would clearly know that the voltage across the coil could never be 14.4v as you stated it should be. And then you do some 100:1 calculations and so on.    The only thing you got right there was the 100 to 1 ratio. Thats not hard to find in a quick search....

First up--!some! ignition systems use a ballast resistor--every seen one on a motorcycle that has points ignition?. Most high performance points ignition systems have no ballast resistor,nor do a lot of coils require a ballast resistor.

Second--a resistor reduces current flow-not voltage.
The voltage will appear across the coil,regardless of the resistor or not.
The ballast resistor is to reduce the time constant(the rate at which current rises in the coil)--the larger the series resistance,the shorter the time constant.
This allows your ignition coil to operate at a higher frequency--higher RPM.

So what kind of alternators do you guys have down under that 14.4v is an average supply voltage?  Most that I see are 14v and under, closer to 13.5v. Have not seen any that do above 15v(unless it is a special after market unit that gives that), what you would say here, above average voltage. Anyway, I just wonder. Maybe they are that way there.. ill look it up 'to see for myself'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzz7P3qNHcE

Now you say that when the switch closes and we are now putting 14.4 fantasy volts across the primary, and that the normal transformer would produce the also fantasy 1440v at the secondary output, AND then your "Most plug gaps are between 1 and 1.2mm", AND your "It takes 1000v per mm to form an arc", Then why does the spark not occur when the points close and only appear when the points open? ?? Clearly you are stating that the gap in the spark plug is the proper distance of 1-1.2mm and that 1000v can jump 1mm and the sec develops 1440v that should be able to jump that gap of 1mm and even 1.2mm!!!  Did you read that?? Read it again!

I think you missed the whole question Mags,which was--why do you think the engine runs rough and back fires when there is no condenser ?
I basically answered this for you,and you missed it.

So ok. we will go with your professional opinion that the voltage across the primary is fantasy land 14.4v. If your still ok with that..

I am.
https://itstillruns.com/output-voltage-gm-alternators-7754415.html

lol  You do not know what you claim to know brad. Simple as that you do not know.  It is just MH bullshit from start to finish... Do you still stand buy all that you have said here? ??

I do 

So dont ever come into MY thread and tell me how it is, acting as if I dont know, unless you really know what your talking about. Because I will tear it up with your own words just like I did with MH.

Well Mag's--you are having a bad day.

Seems like one of us know the operating voltage of a vehicles electrical system.

From what I just exposed of your supposed authoritative knowledge on this subject

What part did you expose exactly ?.

Your description is full of holes and far from complete as to ask that last question and and expect an answer based on the rest of your description. More MH handywork.

As i said,i basically answered the question for you.
What ever happened to people using there own smarts ?.

Ever since you had the problems that occurred for you because of your presenting info on you rotary transformer, you appear to be someone else now. You are not the same guy I once respected here before all that. I dont know exactly what happened then, but I do know some. But what ever it was and however hard it hit you, you are a different guy now.  Since then I have seen you do this same thing you have done here in your post. You barge in and slap down some stuff that just aint right at all and say its conclusive, move along folks, nothing more to see here. And I truly believe your conversations here on this would end on that note if I hadnt put you in your place just now..

Sorry brad, but it is what it is..

But you did not put me in my place Mag's,as all that i quoted was correct,from the purpose of the ballast resistor,and the average operating voltage of a vehicles electrical system.

As far as the RT go's--that is best left dead and buried.


Brad

[tinman]

I see your post waiting for approval MH. You will have to wait for your side kick brad to approve your posts from now on.  Im not really interested in your bullshit side winder talk any longer. So sit and wait for your buddy to come to your beck and call.   Im done here with you.  Clearly a waste of time putting this thread up for your twisting of reality as you have shown in your description of this circuit..

Mags

What you can do Mags,is stop accusing me of doing shit i have not done.


Brad

[tinman]

One thing i am going to do here in MY thread daily, starting tomorrow, is post the links to MHs and brads descriptions and the links to my replys after the fact. Just so they dont get lost in the mess you are using to cover those up as people forget soon enough. Right M?? Well Im going to keep reminding the readers, every day... And if Brad moderates ME because of it? I will have a nice discussion on this with Stefan and get brad off of moderation here. With all the facts of what is going on, Im sure I can make that happen. 

I have made screen shots of the posts and page saves that i talk about above. So if brad does a hilary clinton and 'wipes' the thread of all that, I still have the proof that it existed.. I take that idea from Tk. He does that also, and some others.

Mags

Wow Mag's,this is like being in the twilight zone--WTF