The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....

[MileHigh]

I dont know why you made it 100v. Nor why you made the resistor .1ohm  But the L and C are so huge, and the scope shots you show are cut off before any resonant indications could appear.........  Look at his post again folks..   There is no other reason for making such drastic changes to the component values to demonstrate operations of this circuit. None.... Its padded to the hilt to not show resonant oscillations.

You know that you are being a space cadet here and also demonstrating your lack of knowledge.  Did you try changing the time base on the virtual scope and you couldn't?  I tried and I couldn't change the time base.  So when you plug in the more correct values all that you see is the envelope of the ring-down, right?  It's too fast for you to see anything.

When it comes to analog components like capacitors and inductors, the waveforms they generate are all the same irrespective of the size of the components, it's the frequency that changes.  So since the frequency was too high to demonstrate what I was trying to demonstrate, I made the component values larger so that I could show what I wanted to show, and I am attaching the marked-up screen capture to this positing.  I even put in a disclaimer about it in the original posting for people like you.

When you allege that I was trying to "hide" the resonant oscillations, we enter into black comedy territory, and it's one of the reasons I left this forum.  I will state it for something like the fifth time:  At the start of the ignition cycle, there is no resonant oscillation.  When the capacitor hits 300 volts on the very first climb of what is supposed to be a resonant oscillation, the secondary hits 30,000 volts and the air finally becomes conducting plasma because the very strong electric field starts stripping the electrons off of the various air molecules.  The dam bursts and the resonance between the primary and the capacitor is put into limbo while the secondary does the big energy dump.  The resonance only resumes after the big energy dump is done and that is just scraps in the form of a resonant ring-down to dissipate the remaining energy in the cap as heat.

So I wasn't trying to "hide" the RLC resonance, I was discussing how it's possible for the battery to still kick in a bit of extra energy into the core before the plasma ignites in a running engine.

For the attached graphic I even added an extra annotation to show a hypothetical point where the big plasma burn starts and stops any possible RLC resonance between the primary and the capacitor.

[Magluvin]

You know that you are being a space cadet here and also demonstrating your lack of knowledge.  Did you try changing the time base on the virtual scope and you couldn't?  I tried and I couldn't change the time base.  So when you plug in the more correct values all that you see is the envelope of the ring-down, right?  It's too fast for you to see anything. 

When it comes to analog components like capacitors and inductors, the waveforms they generate are all the same irrespective of the size of the components, it's the frequency that changes.  So since the frequency was too high to demonstrate what I was trying to demonstrate, I made the component values larger so that I could show what I wanted to show, and I am attaching the marked-up screen capture to this positing.  I even put in a disclaimer about it in the original posting for people like you.

When you allege that I was trying to "hide" the resonant oscillations, we enter into black comedy territory, and it's one of the reasons I left this forum.  I will state it for something like the fifth time:  At the start of the ignition cycle, there is no resonant oscillation.  When the capacitor hits 300 volts on the very first climb of what is supposed to be a resonant oscillation, the secondary hits 30,000 volts and the air finally becomes conducting plasma because the very strong electric field starts stripping the electrons off of the various air molecules.  The dam bursts and the resonance between the primary and the capacitor is put into limbo while the secondary does the big energy dump.  The resonance only resumes after the big energy dump is done and that is just scraps in the form of a resonant ring-down to dissipate the remaining energy in the cap as heat.

So I wasn't trying to "hide" the RLC resonance, I was discussing how it's possible for the battery to still kick in a bit of extra energy into the core before the plasma ignites in a running engine.

For the attached graphic I even added an extra annotation to show a hypothetical point where the big plasma burn starts and stops any possible RLC resonance between the primary and the capacitor.

No space cadet.  Right click the scope shot you want to change and at the top of that menu it says  Speed 2x  and below that  SPEED 1/2... You can change things in options also.


"When you allege that I was trying to "hide" the resonant oscillations, we enter into black comedy territory, and it's one of the reasons I left this forum.  I will state it for something like the fifth time:  At the start of the ignition cycle, there is no resonant oscillation.  When the capacitor hits 300 volts on the very first climb of what is supposed to be a resonant oscillation, the secondary hits 30,000 volts and the air finally becomes conducting plasma because the very strong electric field starts stripping the electrons off of the various air molecules.  The dam bursts and the resonance between the primary and the capacitor is put into limbo while the secondary does the big energy dump.  The resonance only resumes after the big energy dump is done and that is just scraps in the form of a resonant ring-down to dissipate the remaining energy in the cap as heat."

But MH!! You have been saying there is no resonance at all up untill today.  Its all right here in the thread.  So where did you find a source that shows you that it does exist and you finally believed it now, today??   

See. I just said in a post just a bit ago that once you finally cannot dispute that the resonance, that you have been so dead set on over these pages, does not and will not happen here, that you would do just this. Here in my post reply 95 on the page before this one .......

"Repeat this, repeat that, all you want. Ill be waiting for your reasons why the oscillations I show when the cap is in the circuit compared to not in the circuit are just artifacts or nothing to make a better stronger spark. And that will have to be the new argument you will have to make... "


And here you are already before I even post the vid.  lol  your doing just what I said 1 page ago. Gees, when does it end?  Never I suppose.

Mags

[Magluvin]

Vid was past 13min as i was recording and it stopped on its own..  Doing another one right now, but Ill have to shorter vids.  Not sure why the cam is doing this.  So ill post the simple version of what we want to see and explain the rest in other short vids....

Mags

[MileHigh]

No space cadet.  Right click the scope shot you want to change and at the top of that menu it says  Speed 2x  and below that  SPEED 1/2... You can change things in options also.


"When you allege that I was trying to "hide" the resonant oscillations, we enter into black comedy territory, and it's one of the reasons I left this forum.  I will state it for something like the fifth time:  At the start of the ignition cycle, there is no resonant oscillation.  When the capacitor hits 300 volts on the very first climb of what is supposed to be a resonant oscillation, the secondary hits 30,000 volts and the air finally becomes conducting plasma because the very strong electric field starts stripping the electrons off of the various air molecules.  The dam bursts and the resonance between the primary and the capacitor is put into limbo while the secondary does the big energy dump.  The resonance only resumes after the big energy dump is done and that is just scraps in the form of a resonant ring-down to dissipate the remaining energy in the cap as heat."

But MH!! You have been saying there is no resonance at all up untill today.  Its all right here in the thread.  So where did you find a source that shows you that it does exist and you finally believed it now, today??   

See. I just said in a post just a bit ago that once you finally cannot dispute that the resonance, that you have been so dead set on over these pages, does not and will not happen here, that you would do just this. Here in my post reply 95 on the page before this one .......

"Repeat this, repeat that, all you want. Ill be waiting for your reasons why the oscillations I show when the cap is in the circuit compared to not in the circuit are just artifacts or nothing to make a better stronger spark. And that will have to be the new argument you will have to make... "


And here you are already before I even post the vid.  lol  your doing just what I said 1 page ago. Gees, when does it end?  Never I suppose.

Mags

Even in my mistaken first attempt to describe the process, I said this, "There may be some secondary voltage ringing artifacts observed, but these will have nothing to do with the actual plasma burn."

And that is exactly what we are talking about right now.  There is no "resonance" involved in the generation of the plasma spark.

So you have got nothing Magluvin.  Your pitch from the start is that the whole plasma generation is a resonance-based phenomenon.  And you state that resonance gives you a "gain" and a stronger spark.  Well that is not what appears to be happening at all.

You have been playing with coils on your bench for a decade.  And every time you disconnect a coil from battery terminals you get a spark.  It's the same bloody spark in an ignition system.  And it was only many years later that you learned that a discharging coil is a current source and that explains why you get the spark and it explains why the coil completely discharges its stored energy when you break the connection to the coil.  It baffles me that you could not make a connection between what you have seen on your bench thousands of times to what is going on when an ignition coil fires a spark plug.

[Magluvin]

Even in my mistaken first attempt to describe the process, I said this, "There may be some secondary voltage ringing artifacts observed, but these will have nothing to do with the actual plasma burn."

And that is exactly what we are talking about right now.  There is no "resonance" involved in the generation of the plasma spark.

So you have got nothing Magluvin.  Your pitch from the start is that the whole plasma generation is a resonance-based phenomenon.  And you state that resonance gives you a "gain" and a stronger spark.  Well that is not what appears to be happening at all.

You have been playing with coils on your bench for a decade.  And every time you disconnect a coil from battery terminals you get a spark.  It's the same bloody spark in an ignition system.  And it was only many years later that you learned that a discharging coil is a current source and that explains why you get the spark and it explains why the coil completely discharges its stored energy when you break the connection to the coil.  It baffles me that you could not make a connection between what you have seen on your bench thousands of times to what is going on when an ignition coil fires a spark plug.

""There may be some secondary voltage ringing artifacts observed, but these will have nothing to do with the actual plasma burn."

But throughout that first post here from you on the second page, you strictly describe that there is no resonant ring in the primary or cap. everything only DC. Never any reversals of current on the primary side of the circuit. If the plasma resistor spark you speak of would kill off any oscillations, then how could there be any artifacts in the secondary let alone cant happen on the primary?  Your swing has changed since Tk posted earlier in pm that the lrc no matter how much over damping by the R in the LRC there is, LRC resonance still takes place.  Here we have 1ohm primary and 1ohm ballast.  This is not an over damped LRC.  So now all of a sudden just today after that pm from TK you change your tune about the possibility that the primary will ring with the cap when the switch opens.

So now today we are on the same page finally that the resonance I speak of really does occur, even before I post the vid, but now you have a new reason for why the secondary never sees it from the primary that sits in the same can, thus to invalidate my scope shots in the vid before it even comes out    You were not even close to being right in your first explanation, so why should we accept your new explanation?  Maybe it is just as fouled up as the first one. How can we know for sure?    So your explanations through your so called excellent circuit analysis skills maybe should not be relied upon really. I mean you are still on the plasma battery cap pumping ideas as valid up until today.  Still talking plasma plasma plasma

What next? I took the coil apart and installed hidden circuitry?   Well you may have to use that one soon.....


Mags