Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[rickfriedrich]

Hardly, I have shared everything you need to know for you to do these things yourself. If I was trying to sell you guys something I would have at least put my website up once or every post. Just because I sell products, does that disqualify me from talking to people who are evaluating one of my kits which I do not make any money from? This is no Occam's razor.

"Occam's razor!"

http://www.r-charge.net/kits.html

[partzman]

P,
I understand what you are trying to say here. But you guys don't wish to address something far more important. I am not saying there is anything wrong with exchanging information back and forth, but so long as people are assuming that something has been proven over the internet then you are all lost at that point. Notice again your point. You vouch for his honesty. Well who vouches for yours? Having 10,000 people say that makes no difference. It still doesn't prove anything over the internet. Why is that so difficult to see??? You guys have been so glued to these forums for so long that you cannot even see what is so obvious here. The more you engage in assumptions the harder it is to see them as that. So you then set up Itsu as an authority. But why? Because you have seen him help you out on a few things. That gives him credibility to you personally. But surely you don't expect others just to assume that? And surely you don't assume he cannot make a mistake? The truth is that you merely benefit from him to the point that you can replicate what he has done.  And that is my whole point. It only goes that far.

You are totally incorrect here and your point is invalid!  Itsu replicated my work regarding at least several different OU technologies over the past several years that I thought were valid.  With his help over many laborious hours of bench work, it was determined I was in error.  You know nothing about Itsu and myself regarding our search for OU.

You guys want to make it more than that. You are all looking for a way to make a forum prove something that everyone should believe. But that can never happen. We have done that sort of thing long ago. It is getting old now. It is merely a fantasy. It cannot happen.  Because you will always have the realist come in and say as I do: "says who?" Even Hollywood leaves you with the same problem for spiderman who is going to have to try and convinced his fantasy world how a video was faked. You can't rely on videos to prove anything. You can't rely on testimony through this medium. You should only encourage people to prove things out to themselves. But you guys are setting the stage for more fake OU claims to be believed, and real OU claims to be disbelieved. Both are counterproductive. Some of you guys are disinfo people doing this on purposes. Others are just fooled by this game and not thinking about this. But at least I have forced them to partially admit that anyone could be wrong. Now if they will only really admit that to be the case and not take it back in the next sentence.

Your comments above are most confusing!  My purpose and many others on this forum is to find REAL OU.  When someone like you for example makes claims of easy OU, we place the burden of proof on you, the claimant.  I am not impressed with videos that show the charging of LABs with LABs.  I'm not impressed with videos showing devices with LED loads and claims of OU.  As you state above "You can't rely on videos to prove anything".  What I do rely on are concrete measurements taken with credible equipment by credible people.  This can be shown accurately in stills and video.  If this info is not included, all claims of performance are meaningless.

P, he is not actually replicating anything I am doing because he said he has not even read what I wrote. So he is doing his own thing based upon no OU claim. He is not seeking "Confirmation of OU devices and claims" in this activity. That is in regards to a particular setup. But in regards to a general claim he may be attempting to do something. But again, he would have to work from the right context. And he shows no interest to understand the right context. The videos show that this is entirely new to him. So you guys are expected far too much from him. Again, if he has been at this for years without success, then doesn't that mean anything to you? I guess I don't understand how someone can spend all that time for years and never have anything to is more than mainstream processes. Why not just do something very simple as I have been saying? Why doesn't G and others show why they believe OU is possible? Surely there is some justifiable reason you guys are all here??? Or do you all just like to chat? Or are you all just here to disprove OU? What is the reason you all think OU is possible? Or how can you justify your time spent here doing this? If the laws are fixed as so many things said here imply, then why even bother? But if you can just do a simple thing to see some gain then you can build upon that. Yet if something is suggested it is ignored or disbelieved with fallacy. And no one wishes to offer up any rational reason why we have any grounds for believing in OU. Isn't that amazing on a forum such as OU? Has it therefore just become a place for hackers to disprove OU?

Let me see if I understand you correctly.  Those of us who have been doing this for years and have failed to find OU are wasting our time and are basically harming others with our questioning to the point of being disinfo agents?  But if we were to just following your teachings regarding the rapid quenching of an arc as you have demonstrated in sundry and various ways in your videos, we would be successful correct?  Well, take away any LABs and LEDs and demonstrate that you can ultimately capture the radiant energy resulting from a rapidly quenched arc as per Tesla in a resistive or other useful real load, and you will have something.  Case in point, after all these years of your research and building efforts, are you still connected to the grid?   

So why does Itsu do what he has done for so many years when he never has had success in experiencing OU? What is the basis for continuing? I would really like to know what grounds he has for expecting to find something. If there are no reasons, that is fine, but we ought to know that before we make him Pope in the infallible sense. Did any of you ever think to ask this?
And the same with G. Don't you think that it would be most instructive if we learned the reason for his one sentence of expecting to find some circuit give additional gains? These revelations would be far more important than anything he has yet written. But he refuses to say a word about it. If he says there are no actual reasons then he will look foolish, especially to the mainstream skeptics. If he actually has some grounds for that sentence then withholding that information is needlessly unproductive considering all the hostilities about this. Why not just come out of the closet G? Tell us one way or the other. Maybe you don't because you want others to do the work for you? I don't know.

But all of you need to ask yourself this question. What is my reason for being here and basis for considering such claims? If you have any foundation for rational belief in OU then why have you not stated it? Why not build upon that foundation? Why keep silent. If you do not have any, then state that. Come clean. Tell us that you have no reason at this point to believe it. That would be helpful. But no, we just all jump right in ignoring all foundations and get crazed about some schematic or circuit that is supposed make someone a sensation or a liar based upon popular opinion!

You know Rick there is a 'remote' possibility that what you 'think' is OU is really not!  How do I know this, because I have "been there and done that" many times with far more complex circuits to analyze than what you have presented.  This has taught me to be really careful before making claims and divulging anything that would waste others time in replication or building.   

Why do those like myself continue the search for OU, because of hope.  Hope that we may find that something which has been overlooked in our observations.  That's our common goal.

Regards,
Pm 

[seychelles]

Sorry Rick you write a book about my epididymis.

[WhatIsIt]

It shouldn't take more space / rows than the extra  long posts we often can see here  to describe what causes this extra incoming effect/ power supply and how to place and dimension coils and use the Coil repeating/ amplifying? effect if any, ETC, ETC.

Regards Arne

He can't show you anything, because he does not have it.
It is all part of show.

While you reading long posts, business is going well!
He is not aiming at members who are posting here. His audience are others who reads this and then buy products.
As long as he can maintain status quo, not giving chance to measure his circuits and disprove him, sales of product are going up.

This is teasing game for him to claim without prove, and for you to begging him to show you.
At the end you buy product!

He is salesman.

Otherwise, he will participate along with Itsu to show how to make that coils OU as he claim, but he will never do that!
You have eyes and can see this for yourself, but the hope that he have something will draw you here again and again.
And that is exactly what he wants!

[rickfriedrich]

I don't  understand your question. My point about science fiction was that people were living in a fiction world online and forgetting that science is done in the real world. The fiction is not real by definition, so never. Science fiction can copy the real world, but the story is always not real. Our culture is deceived with all the fiction so that they believe things are real because of how much the fiction repeats things. The not-real never becomes real. The not-real merely tries to portray things as if they are real (some of the things attempting to be portrayed are real).
Again, my point is that you guys are so accustomed to science fiction on these forums that you have no sense of real science at all. You believe claims made from videos of strangers you do not really know at all, except through this escapist online avenue where people often act totally different than they do in the real world. They enter into a fantasy existence and soar wherever they so desire! I have worked for years in mental health treating people with mental health problems, and this is delusional and borders on delirium in some cases. The fact that no one wants to admit it shows how serious it is.

Mr.Friedrich, Science and combined with Fiction is ever fine ! 
     " Calculations for a Nominal Electricity Generator "https://patents.google.com/patent/US8847720B2/en
708 cm3 a 8 Gr. / cm3 ~ 6 Kg
Nominal Voltage amplified by frequency to induced Voltage
Nice claimed power densities  ! Up  to thousands of KWs  !
                          Device vibrations  ? durability,lifetime ?
Question : when and how becomes Science Fiction Science Reality  !?