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Confirmation of OU devices and claims

Started by tinman, November 10, 2017, 10:53:19 AM

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citfta

Hello Rick,

I have tried to stay out of this discussion so as no to muddy the waters any more.  But I feel like I need to make a couple of comments. 


I am retired after working for many years as an industrial maintenance electrician.  I have worked on almost any kind of industrial machine you can imagine.  From very large industrial lathes and milling machines that were controlled by CNC systems to 15 KW industrial lasers.  I also have an advanced Amateur Radio operators license (ham).  I think I know a little about electronics.

I first got interested in the idea of OU or free energy shortly after I retired 12 years ago.  I found some early information about John Bedini and saw information about the SSG on the internet.  Because of that I got interested enough to attend the first energy conference in Idaho that I believe you and John and Aaron put on.  I met you and the John and Aaron and Peter there.  I saw you ride your electric powered riding mower into the conference room.  I like you Rick.  I liked you when I met you and I still like you.  But I feel I need to say some things about your presentations.

You keep referring to Don Smith as some kind of OU guru.   For those of us with real electronics training and experience that is a big RED flag.  I have watched several of Don Smith's videos.  He makes many statements that are just not true.  He also uses information from the ARRL handbook for amateur radio operators in a way that is totally wrong.   You can see comments in this thread from others who have seen the same thing.  Claiming Don Smith as some kind of inspiration for your work does not give any credence to your claims.  In fact it casts serious doubts on your claims without even looking further into you claims.

I also as some others have said believe that OU might be possible.  I have seen some things that did make me scratch my head and wonder what was going on.  When John B. and Mathew Jones and I were working on the so called Tesla switch, I for about a week was able to get mine tuned so that it ran a load for the entire week and the batteries voltages stayed the same for that entire time.  I was never able to repeat that.  I just got lucky for a short time I guess.

I want to finish with this bit of advice.  I know from personal experience that using short pulses into a tuned circuit can give some interesting results.  So I think you might possibly have discovered something.  I think the jury is still out on that.   But if you really have something then stop with the long winded posts and give us some real data to look at.  I did watch your videos that A. King posted to OU.com.  You could have easily made them half that long and still said the same things.  Long videos and long posts don't prove claims.  Clear data and accurate measurements prove claims.

Respectfully,
Carroll

steeltpu

Quote from: a.king21 on June 15, 2019, 03:29:12 PM
Steel TPU 
As a final note:  I ordered stuff from Rick and it was duly delivered as ordered.
Everything was first class.
The coils were so well made you could use them as an ornament in your house.
The book is brilliant and informative.
The Don Smith book demystifies the process and is a perfect manual for this technology.
( I also have the Book).
Again the book is hard backed and first class  re the information in it.
(some spelling errors - but nothing to detract from the meaning)
So I have learnt a lot and now understand the Kapanadze process.


a.king21,   you're a good researcher.   glad your experience with rick was good and don't want too discourage you but he's got a long history that isn't good.   seems EF forum isn't the only place he's seen as a snake oil salesman:


https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=jranml2m1nnjekn0oi3jgt2453&topic=3785.msg75248;topicseen#msg75248

rickfriedrich

Hi Carroll,
Thank you for you comments. Firstly, I don't see why people complain about long videos or points. I am a philosopher and I am just being thorough and accurate. Less words ALWAYS get misunderstood as they lack detail and are ambiguous. You say things could have been shorter but that is not true. It is just that you are only looking for one thing in my videos, the very thing you say here. My object is beyond that point as I am giving details to my students and customers that they ask for. My videos are not for everyone in general but for particular people. It is hard to satisfy everyone in this respect. However, if people are offended with too much information they can always not watch the videos. lol I find it fascinating that people use long videos or postings as some kind of argument against me.
As for Don Smith, I have replicated much of what he showed and claimed so your comments are false in that respect. Don didn't care to cross his ts or dot his eyes because he wasn't going to play the prestige jargon game and was bucking the establishment. I can identify with him as I don't care to master everything when I can have all the top engineers do anything that is necessary and who can talk the talk in the language of the day. I have carefully gone over every detail of what Don shared in the making of my Don Smith Index book and have not found what you say. There were a few misspeaks here and there just like with anyone who gives a talk. There was a few stroke moments as well. But your problem with him is your mistaken or limited view of reality. Anyone experienced in free energy systems can see that Don knew what he was talking about and experienced what he testified about. And there are many Don Smith systems all over the world in use. Even the fully electronic versions that just look like and inverter with a big ground cable. These are all over eastern Europe and Russia. The propaganda on these forums spreads the idea that no one has these things. But there is a larger free energy community that is not online or at least on these almost useless forums. Anyone who gets anywhere with this tech is cast out of these forums, insulted or ignored so they don't waste there time trying to help people that don't really want to be helped.
I know hundreds of people with your experience and more that have way more. In fact most of my customers are such people near retirement or in retirement and after experiencing these phenomena they want to now focus in on developing it out. The skills level thing doesn't establish creditability in these matters as people of all skill levels and experience have succeeded or failed in these matters. But in fact those beyond the college level of study know that all these processes that Don and others talk about and experience are actually used in the commercial world with real products (and it is a hobby of mine to notice as many of these as I can to show by analogy). These processes, as I wrote are on the non-linear reactive side of things, rather than the linear and non-linear resistive side of things. Maybe you are still confining yourself to the negative differential resistance levels of efficiencies rather than the true negative resistance processes. I suggest you go back to Tesla and really learn what he said about his one wire processes, etc. But as for Don, it is obvious that he presented as he did so that those who wanted to stumble would. I see that approach/attitude among many inventors. If you want to find fault then you will find reason to. But if you apply the teaching you can find what you're looking for.

From your expert experience please explain what is important to understand about the synchronous condenser in relation to free energy processes.

As for my 2010 meeting, I have come a long way. If you asked the recent guys at my last meeting at least one who was also at that 2010 meeting will tell you how much different they are. This friend was also a friend of Don Smith and who gave more detailed information from Don that I included in the book (after meeting in Don's house for 2 days and seeing all the prototypes). I did those meetings and John and Aaron merely attended. They were not responsible for making that happen. I should never have given Aaron any part of it as we can all now see how he turned out...

As for the Tesla Switch, this was a bad thing John introduced without proper instruction. It kills batteries as I have talked about many times. The proper way of doing it was on an hourly rotation as Benitez showed 100 years ago. That is why I call his circuits the Benitez Switch to poke and jab and this bad Tesla Switch ideal. Tesla had nothing to do with this. Now I will say, if you have high enough frequency then you can do that in a way that doesn't kill the batteries. Like when Don kept his little batteries charged with the quarter wave on the line. But to push current back and forth as John promoted ruins batteries just like a solar controller does. John only vaguely or indirectly admitted this at my 2010 convention which I showed the clip of him saying the Watson system kills batteries and that was why he went to the two battery method. But the Tesla Switch is a one battery system in that sense that the batteries get rotated rapidly rather than be kept either in charge or load mode for long periods of time before rotating (which is Benitez). So John has caused thousands of people to kill their batteries over the years because he just didn't care about you guys. So now I am having to pick up the pieces and help give direction in this matter. Yes with long details that you don't care for. I do this because I care. I also am partly responsible for promoting him...

I can see after all this time you are just at the very beginning of this research. What you are talking about is the concept developed by Tesla in his early lectures entitled "The Impedance Phenomena". You can see what people called the Hairpin circuit there, which is a misnaming of the diagram. I have called in the Tesla Impedance circuit because that was the subject he was illustrating and the name hairpin gives the wrong idea that this was a curved circuit when it really was merely a straight line where two points of the load were connected at the right nodal points. This is a major theme that I have long demonstrated over these last 15 years with the motors and now with the rf systems. This is exactly what Bedini was dealing with in DVD7 which was very important. It is not really pulsed DC but is impulse. And the rate of change affects the outcome. John and I have focused on the negative impulsing but I have moved on to also the positive impulsing at rf frequencies. The SG was just a very simple method for creating this effect but hardly anyone listened carefully and I guess only a few students listened and applied DVD7. One of my students did just that and made the black box 5 years ago that we demonstrated here in the US and in Europe. The purpose of the SG was to introduce this impulse technology and negative energy engineering to the world. The batteries as the load was an easy method to see this. I have recently organized these ideas, especially for the need to see as Barrett pointed out, the idea of many body circuits in my Loving paths teaching which gives clarity to the difference between the closed sing loops and the open multiple loops. Yet few people listened when I taught all these years about how if you have bigger and/or more batteries then you could have greater results. But just rotating batteries around is incredible enough. Of course I have demonstrated that for years so I don't understand you last comments about just show us something. What do you think I have been doing for the last 15 years. You saw the lawnmower running off of 10A @36V while charging an equal battery bank of tiny lawn batteries equal to 13AH. Nothing hidden there so anyone could replicate that. Of course I put that motor in the boat the next year with two more coils on it and people got rides and could see everything as well. My point was to show you all that there was nothing sophisticated in any of it, and it was just the basic circuit but bigger. Other people were into making things hard. But when I did the boat then they all turned on me the next day and things have never been the same. They all tried to destroy me because I guess I crossed a line in showing that.
Anyway, the charging of batteries was only one kind of load and engineering of the negative impulse. When we gave the DVD7 this took it to another level as I quoted the other day. I don't see any development of what John said in that DVD. Even the slanderous liar Bedini Worshippers did not even understand this teaching. Even Aaron and Peter never shared this with all of you in this advertised "ADVANCED" SSG books. You really have to ask yourself why. I can't say this of Peter as he definitely knows this, but Aaron probably doesn't understand the negative energy engineering and what John talks about in the DVD7. So he never included it because he either didn't even know about it, or didn't understand it, or didn't want you all to know about it. Either case is not good. It should have been the number 1 focus of this and his forums. But there is silence. Now I talked about it even before that video on the groups that Bedini deleted. I not only explained it back in those early years of 2005-2007 and beyond, but also developed on the trigger side of the circuit. That is I used transformers as "nodes", or various inductors. You see the very small figure 5 of Tesla's True Wireless gives you the various arrangements for what you can do in relation to what John said in DVD7. So if you want to begin to learn this beyond the baby level SSG experience I have just given you everything you need to know. Of course I spent 10 hours teaching on this at the last meeting. But do not miss the statement from John that I highlighted in big bold red letters because everyone missed it. That you could multiply as many of these nodes as you wanted. So here you have Bedini giving you the secret of how to multiply the energy. I understood that early on and tried to tell people these things. Now I understand better and am more organized in this.

You guys make me laugh in saying that I may have discovered something with impulse technology. It shows that you are just beginning to understand what this is about. No, I have long demonstrated impulse technology giving more demonstrations than anyone else in a variety of ways. I have often demonstrated continuous running of systems where the batteries self-charged on my motors using this process just explained. But more importantly, I have explained how to do it. For I found that it is more important for people to learn the themes and ways to make it work rather than for people to just try and copy parts arrangements and then just look to models for the answer.
Anyway, your final comments reveal that you are not paying attention to what I have shown and done. I have long given data and details. I have long given demonstrations. I have long given instructions. You guys just repeating these lines as if I haven't is just misleading to others. And as I have pointed out, you cannot prove anything over the internet. When will you guys get that??? People can say anything and there is no reason for anyone to believe anything that is said, shown in picture or video. Why do you think otherwise? You have been fooled by these forums into thinking so. And then when someone attempts to show something you end up never being satisfied because you ought to never be satisfied. So it is an endless game as I mentioned that people like G are playing with you (as I will point out again). No, clear data and showing everything does not prove anything. Explain to me how you could prove anything over the internet? Why will no one address this point??? I think people have already proven these things out and just want people to work for them for free on the one hand. And other people are too lazy to actually do testing for themselves and want someone to try and prove things for them, when they really can only prove these things to themselves. You see now why you misunderstand my videos. You are looking for proof in my videos, but I am not a fool in thinking a video can prove anything. I am merely showing people what they can do for themselves to prove things to themselves. Do you hear me here??? Do you understand now? Now you go back and watch and not misjudge my motives. You see who I am talking to. I am not doing videos for skeptics or those who do not already know these things by experience. I had my years and years of doing that on the forums. I proved what I could and won the debates and the skeptics conceded, converted, and those that didn't just said that only 3 outputs for one input was necessary to satisfy them. lol So I gave them that as well. I accomplished my goals and now I just help those who sincerely have come out of these silly forums and their games and who just want to learn the technology. So my videos are not for you guys still seeking free energy, but for those who actually want my details. I have explained that many times but people only jump through my videos looking for proofs and thus miss the details. You all just want to bypass leaning how these things work and just want to copy a working model. So just go back to the beginning and you will see all that.

Wow, you wrote a lot. You could have just said all that in a few word. lol

Quote from: citfta on June 16, 2019, 09:04:39 AM
Hello Rick,

I have tried to stay out of this discussion so as no to muddy the waters any more.  But I feel like I need to make a couple of comments. 


I am retired after working for many years as an industrial maintenance electrician.  I have worked on almost any kind of industrial machine you can imagine.  From very large industrial lathes and milling machines that were controlled by CNC systems to 15 KW industrial lasers.  I also have an advanced Amateur Radio operators license (ham).  I think I know a little about electronics.

I first got interested in the idea of OU or free energy shortly after I retired 12 years ago.  I found some early information about John Bedini and saw information about the SSG on the internet.  Because of that I got interested enough to attend the first energy conference in Idaho that I believe you and John and Aaron put on.  I met you and the John and Aaron and Peter there.  I saw you ride your electric powered riding mower into the conference room.  I like you Rick.  I liked you when I met you and I still like you.  But I feel I need to say some things about your presentations.

You keep referring to Don Smith as some kind of OU guru.   For those of us with real electronics training and experience that is a big RED flag.  I have watched several of Don Smith's videos.  He makes many statements that are just not true.  He also uses information from the ARRL handbook for amateur radio operators in a way that is totally wrong.   You can see comments in this thread from others who have seen the same thing.  Claiming Don Smith as some kind of inspiration for your work does not give any credence to your claims.  In fact it casts serious doubts on your claims without even looking further into you claims.

I also as some others have said believe that OU might be possible.  I have seen some things that did make me scratch my head and wonder what was going on.  When John B. and Mathew Jones and I were working on the so called Tesla switch, I for about a week was able to get mine tuned so that it ran a load for the entire week and the batteries voltages stayed the same for that entire time.  I was never able to repeat that.  I just got lucky for a short time I guess.

I want to finish with this bit of advice.  I know from personal experience that using short pulses into a tuned circuit can give some interesting results.  So I think you might possibly have discovered something.  I think the jury is still out on that.   But if you really have something then stop with the long winded posts and give us some real data to look at.  I did watch your videos that A. King posted to OU.com.  You could have easily made them half that long and still said the same things.  Long videos and long posts don't prove claims.  Clear data and accurate measurements prove claims.

Respectfully,
Carroll

itsu

Quote from: gyulasun on June 15, 2019, 06:49:24 AM
Hi Itsu,

If you use the UGN3503 type sensor from Allegro, its data sheet says it has a flat response up to 23 kHz. 
You could check its response with a ferrite cored coil having at least some ten mH inductance  what you could drive 
by your function generator slightly below 23 kHz to see how the sensor operates within its specified range. 
To limit current taken from your generator a series resistance surely helps when your coil inductance happens 
to be low around 20 kHz range (to protect the FG).  Place the sensor also close to any of the ends of the ferrite core. 

Gyula

Gyula,

i did test that sensor circuit, but indeed, at the used big coil frequency (180 KHz) there is nothing left to measure.
Even at 20KHz the signal has already dropped significantly compared to 100 to 500Hz range.
A dropoff starts at 1Khz, so usefull for permanent magnets and very low frequency magnetic fields only.

 
Itsu

itsu

Quote from: e2matrix on June 15, 2019, 12:24:00 PM

That was rather sloppy of me to miss that was an inductor (which makes a lot more sense).  I just took a very quick look without counting the bands or noticing the L3 printed on the circuit board.  It just looked like a resistor at quick glance - my mistake.   This meter is really odd though.  I can hold it up against - in direct contact with an electronic device and it shows zero reading - no EMF or gauss reading whereas one of my other meters picks up EMF from that same device from at least 2 feet away.   My other meter is screaming (audio output also) when it gets right up against it so in just that one test I assume this Kmoon is either defective or very insensitive. 


If you are just interested mostly in magnetic field readings and have a smart phone most of them have a fairly sensitive magnetic field reading capability.   There are a lot of Apps that will give you microTelsa (also gauss and milligauss) values like this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mreprogramming.ultimateemfdetector



You might want to use a spare phone though in case you get some really strong fields that might damage a phone.


E2matrix,

Thanks for the link to that smartphone app, mine is an Iphone, so this specific one is not available for it, but many others are.

I think i will look for good brand old EMF detector.

Itsu