Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[Void]

Rick,
I assume that you have built an OU device. How did you determine that it is OU?

Hi Hoppy. I have watched a number of Rick's YouTube videos in the past, and he invariably leaves
out one or more important basic measurements which would show the actual efficiency of the overall circuit
while (sometimes at least) implying it is OU. For example, he may measure an input battery voltage, but not measure the
average or RMS input current from the battery and that sort of thing, while indicating or hinting he believes it is OU. Of course
the actual efficiency will almost certainly be less than 100% if measured properly.  I personally have never seen any
claim (or hint) of OU by Rick which he backed up with proper measurements or a proper demonstration.
I am not at all trying to be negative, but just stating what I have observed.

I have done experiments with coils and resonance and taking off power using multiple receiver coils
tuned to the resonant frequency of the transmitter coil, and I personally have not seen 'OU' with such
a setup. In my experiments the power from the transmitter coil divides amongst the multiple receiver coil circuits,
as would be expected, and the total output power is less than the input power. If there is a way around this expected behavior,
I wasn't able to find it.

Regarding Don Smith, I only ever saw one video demonstration where Don Smith actually demonstrated powering a load with
one of his claimed OU devices, (his briefcase device powering a bunch of bulbs) and the output voltage
to the bank of bulbs was steadily dropping over time. Don Smith didn't leave his device connected to the bulbs
long enough to be able to determine if anything really unusual might really be going on there, but his small briefcase device
was able to power a large bank of incandescent 120V light bulbs for a while, which was still interesting to see. If he had a
small bank of batteries in his briefcase, it would have been quite a large current draw from the batteries to power all those
120V light bulbs. Don Smith didn't show how large of a battery or batteries he had inside his briefcase in that demo.
Basically Don Smith's devices were never properly demonstrated in the public that I know of. Anything that comes from
Don Smith is therefore quite questionable, as many people no doubt are already aware of.

[rickfriedrich]

I think you may be again taking me out of context by directing to Itsu. My setup was not ideal, but just very basic. I said in the video that you would want the variable capacitors on each coil to properly do this. Depending on your loads you have to adjust for frequency changes. Now I have not at all got into showing how to properly convert the frequency down, so that the LED bulbs or capacitors are NOT AT ALL collecting and using the available energy at such a high frequency. These loads are like collecting energy from 1khz frequencies or less. They cannot respond that fast. And I will share a point as one of the themes next week along these lines in relation to capacitor charging and high frequencies. You guys have no idea how this works because you just think all capacitors are the same and respond a certain way. You think only in terms of Volts and Amps and have no experience in real world technology in these matters. My hint for you to start you off in one aspect of this is step charging. I'll be enlarging upon this this under the theme and idea of negative differential resistance (which really is not an appropriate name for that process) where capacitors also have very nonlinear characteristics. That's about as far as I need to go to open up many doors for you... But for the kit and basic learning we just use low frequency parts which purposely give low outputs.

itsu
#900
Rick quote : ......... No, only the primary was tuned. They were not positioned carefully at all. There were no variable caps other than on the primary.
This is really for my customers who already have the kit and realize that this would be possible to do if they had that many coils. But I do not recommend going to such efforts to try and prove this to yourself. We can do much more with a few coils than even everything you see in that picture/video. ........

Regards Arne

[rickfriedrich]

VOID OF CONTEXT,
You indeed misunderstand my context. I only show videos for my customers that already have these parts. So the meters are only showing here and there when it is important to consider the point of the video. Many thousands of people already have OU and are not like you guys purporting to be still trying to find it. I don't try and prove OU in any of my videos. Because how could I? Why would I expect anyone to believe such through a video? But my customers actually have the same parts and often I show them upgrades or new points to consider. If you actually watched any of my videos you would know this so your comments are out of context and therefore false. If I was trying to prove OU I wouldn't do that in video, as you cannot do that. I merely show people in the real world. Don Smith actually did that, and I have several friends that witnessed such demonstrations. OU is not really a big deal that you guys make it out to be. The big propaganda here is always trying to give the impression that it is so difficult. I have spelled out many different ways you can do it. I have demonstrated these for years. Thousands of people all around the world have done the same. These forums are just hack jobs trying to deceive the public that it is impossible or so very hard. Even people open to the idea are crippled in thinking it is so hard.

I can imply OU, it is usually expected. But this doesn't mean I ever tried to prove it in a video. Again, I am ALWAYS speaking in a way for you to show yourself these things. What else can I do Mr. Void?

All my meters are true RMS meters. The things you are mentioning are all old news. I don't try and show the input and output in every video because that is long established. You can go back to earlier days. That is so basic level that people get bored with that. They want to learn about the specific point the video is about. Fair enough???

You don't know anything about these systems. What is 100% efficiency to you? I have a fan that takes x amount of power to produce x amount of rpm and cfms. Now I change one diode and run it at same x amount of power to produce same x amount of rpm and cfms. But there is one problem with your slanderous assumptions. I am charging another battery freely at the same time. This is very old news Mr. Void of history  This is about 14 years old and many thousands of people are doing this all over the world. People now want more so that is what we are doing these days. You assume evil merely because you are biased and ignorant. That is not an insult but the fact. What right do you have to assume such things? Who can assume anything from a video? What is almost certainty to you? You are trying to be negative, and that is obvious. You are assuming I am trying to prove something in a video rather than trying to help my customers in very specific ways. You are just like so many superficial people applying your own agenda upon someone else and then misjudging them for that. That is a shame! You need to listen more and judge less. You may be so desperate for free energy that you don't bother to learn how it works or listen to what people are actually saying. I'm not a fool and don't try to presume upon people and expect them to believe something over the internet. My customers apply the information in the videos and are mostly satisfied. I'm not very satisfied with my videos, just saying.  Some of these customers have shared some of these points here. More are watching in silence.

Well we have no way of knowing what you have done in your experience. Not saying that you should believe any videos, but many videos show the opposite of what you said so I think it is fairly common knowledge that that is not universal experience. There is a difference to what we are doing here. I haven't been following enough but I'm sure Itsu has seen a difference from that at this point. Who knows. Again, I showed my customers in that video, and 18 of them in the real world at the meeting, that adding more coils did not actually bring the input down to 60ma and less without lowering the power output in any of the coils. Yes, when I did certain things it did increase in input in the primary. So you have to know what you are doing. You cannot make a universal claim about this, you can only take the agnostic approach.

As for Don's 1996 video you are talking about, that is not true. And the guy measuring that said so. It really wasn't a demonstration of OU because you didn't see how it worked. Now we know what he did, and a friend of mine was there and saw inside. Don later revealed that and most people still have not realized what he did because you assume without looking at the details... Anyway, proving OU at the time would have to allow people to see everything, and he didn't. All you could conclude from that was that it probably was OU. You could really only go by his word. Don knew what he was talking about and never showed me any signs of deceit. But then again, I have verified many of this systems and claims and teaching. Anyone who is familiar with OU systems knows that he was the most significant influence in all this research. There are thousands of Don Smith systems all around the world. I know this and that is my claim. I don't expect you to believe it.

Now Don did give one significant OU demonstration that people just didn't realize. And I show this all the time. He was showing the Don Smith Effect where the capacitor duplicates the energy. He had an 8000V probe that give an inch long arc to one side of a plate. This is a real load and can be used for many applications. Other loads could be in series with that as well. It takes x amount of energy to produce that load, just like it takes x amount of power to run a motor (and I double that output by also charging a battery). In the same way as doubling the energy in the motors, he then adds a ground terminal an inch away from the other side of the plate. This is unidirectional impulsing so it is not AC. It is not supposed to go through a thick capacitor. But yet another identical arc is on the other side from the plate to the terminal. So now we have doubling of power. Two inches of arcing. People watched those videos for years and never realized what that meant.    I give several demonstrations of this sort of thing at my meetings. So there you go people. Many of you have seen the video. I even did it in a video a few years back. You can do it yourself. They even made sure that the primary side was not grounded at all and was powered from a battery so that there was no ground looping.

So people, that is how simple these things are. You are looking for some convoluted system because you have been brainwashed into the mainstream convoluted systems and believed their propaganda that this is all so hard. You are overthinking it. Now you just have to know basic things to add the appropriate loads besides arcing. And guess what? There is more. We can use more processes and collect more energy at the same time. So does the "power" meter determine what we can do? Not at all. It is just the wasted energy in the closed loop.

As for Don's case, several of them did see inside and saw the small battery. But that again is a matter of testimony. The whole video is just a video and you can't really trust any video. It seems likely that it was not fake. I have some friends who were there so it is different for me than for you. But I can do that so I don't need to that to be proven anymore. But if you watched the video you would see that a 7AH battery cannot power 1000W for even 0.01 of a second. Most people, including all those at that meeting who said something, revealed that they had no experience with batteries under load. This is what I deal with all day long. I will give you the perfect example of what I come across. So we have a UPS and alarm system charger that allows you to keep your batteries for good and not have to replace them. So when we tested the UPS systems. UPS means uninterrupted power supplies, and are used for electronics that you don't want to be turned off when the power can go out. What we found was that their ratings were flat out lies. Even new 7AH batteries cannot power the UPS at all at the ratings/claims they make on the specifications. You cannot have a 7AH battery power a 1000W load at all. The instantaneous voltage drop on the battery would bring it way down past 10.5V so that the inverter would never even run. So as soon as the power would go out on a 1000W load it would be entirely useless. Same at 500W. Realistically you can run a 100W for a bit on a 7AH battery. Maybe just enough to press save on your computer before it dives before 10.5V.

So the guys didn't even know what they were talking about. The voltage drop on a 7AH battery would have brought it way done for starters. And it would have discharged the battery very fast and ruin it in a hurry. Believe, this is what we have done for 15 years here. You can try it yourself. So the guys didn't realize that and tried to make some calculations being ignorant of voltage drops and C rates of discharge. As the C rate is lowered the losses increase as well. So the greater the load the less efficiency you have. When I do my basic inverter demonstrations at my meetings I teach on these things because most people have no idea of the basics. So I have to start from the very beginning. So even with 220AH golf cart batteries at 12V I can hardly sustain a 3000W load of incandescent bulbs with a kwa home meter for more than a few minutes before the voltage drops lower than that allowed by the inverter. So 7AH doesn't give you enough to do anything and the UPS are a big lie. I'm not sure why people are not really upset about this. It's crazy.

Anyway, if you grant that it was a 7AH battery as people saw inside, or as Don said. Obviously the case was not heavy so there was no way a bunch of heavy batteries were in there. But if you were to hook it up to a 1000W load it would just never even come on. And it wouldn't even be able to do 100W load that long. Don brought that because people rather see a demonstration with a plug, etc. than learn how to make it. 

Apparently he did run it for a long time after the video ended somewhere else. But then again, that is the testimony. But your comments are not true. He did leave it long enough. Go to Batteries plus and get a brand new 7AH battery with that month's date stamp and see for yourself. Try a UPS and you will see this. Then come back here and tells you how you were wrong in this. Maybe we will hear from you again Mr. Void. Maybe not.

So how is it that you leap from your mistaken comments to the conclusion that everything he says therefore questionable. Did you even watch all the video and hear what he said about the demonstration. I transcribed the video to make sure every word was understood. You have no right to dismiss "Anything that comes from Don Smith is therefore quite questionable". And then you add that as other people are aware. You are just another disinfo person. You have not proven anything and what you say doesn't even follow. You show you have no experience with loading batteries and therefore have no reason to say what you did. Again, go get a UPS and shows us all a video showing you power 1000W over that time period. You will just have to keep adding more and more batteries till it is bigger than the case. Oops! Void of context and Void of experience in matters you make prejudiced judgments.

Hi Hoppy. I have watched a number of Rick's YouTube videos in the past, and he invariably leaves
out one or more important basic measurements which would show the actual efficiency of the overall circuit while (sometimes at least) implying it is OU. For example, he may measure an input battery voltage, but not measure the average or RMS input current from the battery and that sort of thing, while indicating or hinting he believes it is OU. Of course the actual efficiency will almost certainly be less than 100% if measured properly.  I personally have never seen any claim (or hint) of OU by Rick which he backed up with proper measurements or a proper demonstration.
I am not at all trying to be negative, but just stating what I have observed.

I have done experiments with coils and resonance and taking off power using multiple receiver coils
tuned to the resonant frequency of the transmitter coil, and I personally have not seen 'OU' with such
a setup. In my experiments the power from the transmitter coil divides amongst the multiple receiver coil circuits, as would be expected, and the total output power is less than the input power. If there is a way around this expected behavior, I wasn't able to find it.

Regarding Don Smith, I only ever saw one video demonstration where Don Smith actually demonstrated powering a load with one of his claimed OU devices, (his briefcase device powering a bunch of bulbs) and the output voltage to the bank of bulbs was steadily dropping over time. Don Smith didn't leave his device connected to the bulbs long enough to be able to determine if anything really unusual might really be going on there, but his small briefcase device was able to power a large bank of incandescent 120V light bulbs for a while, which was still interesting to see. If he had a
small bank of batteries in his briefcase, it would have been quite a large current draw from the batteries to power all those 120V light bulbs. Don Smith didn't show how large of a battery or batteries he had inside his briefcase in that demo. Basically Don Smith's devices were never properly demonstrated in the public that I know of. Anything that comes from Don Smith is therefore quite questionable, as many people no doubt are already aware of.

[lancaIV]

BTW: a nominal 1000 Watt load has as lamp 2000-8000 average( also here peak !  )Watt inrush power demand  !
ICL need: inrush current limiter
Working with transformer or motors : first calculate  !

C-value and DoD for the battery  as energy source  !

DC lamp starter circuit :
60 Watt lamp : 130 Volt x 200 Ampere surge                     130x200 = 26000

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[AlienGrey]

Mr king many thanks for the info and clearing up a few old JB facts.