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Confirmation of OU devices and claims

Started by tinman, November 10, 2017, 10:53:19 AM

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seaad

Quote from: a.king21 on Today at 04:48:33 AM
Rick:  Itsu's video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9dLj5MrAHY
3 minutes in -  inserting a relay coil causes output to go UP and input to go DOWN.
WHY ARE WE IGNORING THIS!!!
It's like the forum has  Cognitive dissonance

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I'm not ignoring that.

When Itsu inserts the relay coil;  That corresponds to that the primary coil (feels) gets a harder coupling factor.
Or can be compared with;    That more secondaries comes in contacts with the primary coil.
With  the same (preserved) coupling factor to ALL newly added sec.coils the input current goes down step by step.

From my sim. test with the same CF 0.o25:

From  1  to  8 coils  the  input  current  goes  down  from    165 --> 35 mA
But at the SAME time the output Power ALSO goes down from 0.o67 -->  0.o22 Watt !!!

And the  the efficiency factor increases from 11% --> 18%

Regards Arne

a.king21

Quote from: itsu on July 10, 2019, 04:25:53 AM
A.king21,





Concerning the voltage across the bulb, i showed you already in this post:
https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg536323/#msg536323

Itsu
So I take it that the voltage was 1.712 volts ac R M S.


Strange as the bulb seems brighter.

partzman

Quote from: a.king21 on July 09, 2019, 10:48:33 PM
Rick:  Itsu's video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9dLj5MrAHY

3 minutes in -  inserting a relay coil causes output to go UP and input to go DOWN.

WHY ARE WE IGNORING THIS!!!

It's like the forum has  Cognitive dissonance

Oh it's not being ignored!  It is an observed effect which warrants a more complete investigation and analysis.

I would like to point out something about Rick's coupled coil arrangement that he has not disclosed so perhaps he is not aware of it and that is, with the transmitter and receiver coils placed horizontally on a flat surface with all axis vertical, the mutual coupling M is negative between the coils.  Thus the K factor is negative.  This can be easily demonstrated on the bench with two coils while maintaining the proper dot relationship.

If however, the receiver coil is now raised off the surface and moved closer to a position so as to be above the transmitter coil, the mutual coupling will move from the negative value through zero, then to a positive value.

Why is this important you ask?  Well, in Itsu's video, the two vertically stacked receiver coils have a positive mutual coupling to each other while combined in reference to the transmitter coil, they have a negative mutual coupling.

Now the so called 'relay' coil is inserted in a horizontal plane affecting the resultant power out and power in through observation.  So the question is, what is the resultant coupling between the coils in this arrangement and why does it increase the impedance of the series resonant transmitter circuit and increase the output?

Regards,
Pm

a.king21

Quote from: NickZ on July 09, 2019, 05:23:57 PM
   itsu, Gyula:   Why is there a difference when comparing a multi secondary coils pulsing system like what you've shown, to a radio station.   Does the radio station loose it's transmitting power depending on how many people's radios are tuning in to it?
   Why would adding more receiving coils, not work the same? But, it doesn't, normally, adding more coils bring down the total working voltage, and output at the load (led). WHY?  I ask.
   itsu, did placing coils inside of the main coil, help, or not? 
   What the hell,  I'll be nice... once the dust clears...and the truth comes out. Would be good to know, one way or the other.


It's even more disbelieving when you consider some satellite transmitters output as low as 2 kw from a geostationary orbit yet millions can tune in.

itsu

Quote from: a.king21 on July 10, 2019, 08:11:47 AM
So I take it that the voltage was 1.712 volts ac R M S.


Strange as the bulb seems brighter.

"My Fluke 8060A true RMS meter reads 2.2V (AC mode)"

So 2.2V rms (in ac mode) according to my DMM and 1.712V rms according to my scope who i trust more in this case.


So what is your cooling effect setup exactly?

Itsu