Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[rickfriedrich]

Yes, that is part of the morning talk/demo of the battery chargers and inverter demo. Two of my industrial chargers do actual resistive load measurements with 4 or 6 power settings. There is no other way to properly determine what a battery can put out. So don't be deceived that you can know the true AH capacity of a battery with a CCA car battery tester that puts a 100A resistive load over 10 seconds. The charger loads down the battery to 8V on a 12V battery (and the equivalent for the 24V and 2V models) but only measures to 10.5V what the actual AH are. It gives volts and Amps over time minute by minute. Then it does that one or more times and gives a % gain reading as well. This has been done by at least 20 companies around the world that have constantly used these machines 24/7 for about 12 years now. They do it for a business to restore thousands of batteries. The AH reading will of course be at the particular C rate of the load settings, so you still have to put those numbers into the online calculator to compare what the manufacturers specs are at the stated C rates (usually they should have 2 C rates listed). That means they will have maybe a C 20 rate and a C 8 or 5 rating. And the differences as we mentioned are relating to Peukert's law.

So years ago on my many monopole groups I tried to get people to get used to doing at least 10 full cycles before they do any experiments. That way the new battery can stabilize and they can also appreciate what the battery can really put out. Also what it takes to charge it. What we found, as a side note, was that the maximum efficiency was when you only charge the battery up to say 85-90% as the last percentage too more energy. We saw many people want to have their batteries rest at 14V and were charging them to 16V or higher under charge. Anyway, they were able to learn the battery curves and many things by that experience. It made them aware of how sulfated batteries can have voltage but no capacity, and how new batteries can have some changes in the first few cycles. Also that starter batteries cost a lot more than true deep cycle batteries for the amount of lead/real capacity.

Your comment about terminal voltages is only partly true so it is a mistake to say that. Once you have established what you batteries and system is doing then the voltage reading can properly be used as a reference indicator based upon a properly controlled environment. You guys are still playing with hobby toys and assume we just make ignorant measurements over 5 minutes. Well that was what Bedini did, but not what I do. Some of the engineers I have worked with are at the top of the ladder and experience in their line of work and have the best equipment available, which costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. Of course that is totally unnecessary but if you want all the functionality then that is what you get. Some of the Midtronics battery capacity analyzer systems actually do make a short load tests after you load in all the numbers. I would never trust them to be accurate, which they are not for what we are doing, so we always to full charge and discharges to determine the actual capacity.

As for demonstrations, there is no way to properly demonstrate enough cycling of the batteries to give someone an exact sense of the actual capacity of the batteries. The goal is not to prove OU by means of the meetings, but to show how to prove it to yourself many ways. More and more of the people have systems already and just are looking for more advanced information. In the earlier years when people were more interest in just seeing an OU system we would take more time to do that. But now people are more interested in setting up systems and learning how to get maximum output. There are many things that have to be covered. For example, when I do the inverter demonstrations I go over the basics of voltage drops. So they see that and we go over the basic math and that means. For example, I'll do a demonstration of 3000W of big incandescent bulbs with a KWmeter circuit breakers and inverter. On a set of 12V golf-cart batteries the voltage drop will very quickly drop below the 10.5V minimum. So we go over how that doesn't mean the batteries have discharged very much at all. They have to learn these basics to be able to use this technology and know how to estimate what a system is doing. This takes several hours to do, and if I don't do this then they will not properly understand any demonstrations. Showing an OU system will not mean much for most people if they don't know how to evaluate it. I'm doing a video right now where I will talk about how Gerard deceived a customer of mine that I just met with yesterday in Canada. I'll explain some things in that video I'll upload tonight.

Rick,
How do you measure the source battery capacity before and after a long demonstration to confirm no loss or perhaps a gain in stored energy? As you know battery terminal voltages are not a reliable indicator of battery capacity. Also, Do you demonstrate your procedure for this to your students before and after demos?

[partzman]

Rick,

With all this talk about the finer points of LABs, your claims of 'easy' OU, and your having knowledge of many ways to accomplish such , I propose a reasonable test for you to perform to verify your claims that would convince critics like myself to accept what you are saying and teaching!

Take 1 (one) LAB of your choice and any circuit of your choosing that you have developed over the years.  Power the input of your circuit with this single LAB and take the excess output from the same circuit that you claim produces OU and use it to replace the assumed smaller amount of energy drawn from the LAB.  IOW, the LAB is the summing point of energy consumed by your circuit and the energy produced by your circuit.  This should be relatively easy to do and would be a great teaching tool at your seminars.

Regards,
Pm

[rickfriedrich]

AG,
We have done that with the Bill Fogal arrangement. This is a charge barrier technology.
But you are not correct in assuming that is the only thing we can do. All we have to do is spin electrons and have a means of collecting the effects. That is easy to do in different ways.

I hate to be a cynic  but unless you have a device that's capable of eather delaying the
humble electron to the finishing post than your grab circuit your never going to achieve much and that's a fact! Because that's what it amounts to.

[AlienGrey]

AG,
We have done that with the Bill Fogal arrangement. This is a charge barrier technology.
But you are not correct in assuming that is the only thing we can do. All we have to do is spin electrons and have a means of collecting the effects. That is easy to do in different ways.

Rick, Thanks for the reply, that doesn't surprise me would ESR i have come across that befor would you like to explain a little more please ?

[rickfriedrich]

P,
I appreciate your suggestion. I'll make a few points as a response:

1. While it is true that LABs are really more complicated that people realize, it is also true that people can experience free energy with them without really knowing all the details mentioned. You guys are only after one kind of system that is self-running. That is fine, but you need to appreciate first something less than that, that is very easy. A claim that is easier to verify is a fan charging another battery while it is running. All the energy is used up in the Kirchhoff loop and the excess is free energy. I know that is old news, but skeptics don't want to admit that.

2. Yes I know many ways to do OU but I will not get into most of them because such are either not practical for one or more reasons or they will get people into trouble. What you are suggesting is a non-battery system, and that crosses a line. I suppose if you added enough parts to make it big, complicated, and expensive then that may be fine. But small simple systems like that are not allowed for the general public. This would be me taking one of the AC motors I just showed in this video: https://youtu.be/2amFnvh9zqg  and making them run themselves (which is easy enough to do when you understand how this energy works). There are thousands of these running all around the world. But no one will ever sell them to the general public. All I'll say is that if you rewire it inside and add three of the right capacitors then you can do that. I've been in many trades over the years and grew up hearing stories about people doing that. These are rumors all over the US and Canada and elsewhere. But they are real. I don't expect anyone to believe that.

3. The thing that everyone has to realize is that the input battery is part of the system. Some of the energy goes back to the input battery. That is why using a power supply does not give the same results. I can't really get into that in a few words here, but there are several important reasons why a battery is necessary in the energizer setups. Now I'm explaining how to have such a battery just stay charged. You can either do the two or three battery bank setups where the batteries can be rotated or just remain charged. I decided a few years back to show both of these. I got in enough trouble for doing that. That is good enough for anyone to provide all of their electrical needs. But to remove the batteries is an entirely different system.

4. What I show at my meetings is more important than that because it shows you how to multiply the output as many times as you want.

Rick,
With all this talk about the finer points of LABs, your claims of 'easy' OU, and your having knowledge of many ways to accomplish such , I propose a reasonable test for you to perform to verify your claims that would convince critics like myself to accept what you are saying and teaching!
Take 1 (one) LAB of your choice and any circuit of your choosing that you have developed over the years.  Power the input of your circuit with this single LAB and take the excess output from the same circuit that you claim produces OU and use it to replace the assumed smaller amount of energy drawn from the LAB.  IOW, the LAB is the summing point of energy consumed by your circuit and the energy produced by your circuit.  This should be relatively easy to do and would be a great teaching tool at your seminars.
Regards,
Pm