Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[gyulasun]

Rick,

This is an international forum with members from many countries where English is not spoken. English is the second language for me (and I have a 3rd and 4th language knowledge too but becoming rusty on them because I do not use them as often as I used to in the past.).
So you should not ride on high horse with English grammar semantics here because you are blessed with good English and you certainly make a very good philosopher too. 
I do not know if you speak another language or languages beside the English, if you do, then you may as well have some problems with semantics (no offense intended) and would understand this problem.
I do think many members here did understand what I wanted to express and they do not care whether I had written "can surely be" or "there can be".  Rather, they also focus on the technical pieces of information. 

Gyula

[seaad]

Itsu,
Nice test and presentation  !
The power factor now as best, about = 0.3
And the forty BATs are "eating" some mWatts also.
( 8 coils ==> 204 mW)

Regards Arne

[TinselKoala]

@Itsu:
I note you are using the IXDD614P mosfet driver. This driver incorporates an "enable" pin 3 which can be used for all kinds of neat stuff, like audio modulation for example. You could send music to a pickup coil and instead of it having a useless load, use a speaker! You could call it "radio" !

But even more significant is the high impedance clock input. This means you can make your system "autoresonating" simply by using a small antenna and a couple of diodes (to clamp the voltage from the small antenna.) The FG will provide an initial "kick" that doesn't even need to be particularly close to the resonant frequency, and then the antenna/diode can provide enough signal to the driver input pin to take over and automagically boost the frequency into self-resonance. The FG can be disconnected at that point. Sometimes the initial kick can be provided by a simple toggle switch. All that is needed is a single impulse to get the tank ringing, then the pickup antenna takes over at the ring (resonant) frequency. And the system will stay tuned as the environment changes, within limits.

Of course you may or may not want to do this. Since the gate driver will provide nice fast rise and fall times of the current to the transmitter coil, and it will always be in exact resonance, the voltage in the coil-cap tank can rise to quite high levels. You will of course get greater range to your receivers and you may even see the odd CFL bulb light up in the area. And et cetera.

But is it OU?     

[TinselKoala]

Yes, I was just mentioning that. It is easier than self-looping as the batteries are electrically connected so looping needs additional processes.
And you can also do this with what I call my third stage process in the Loving Paths teaching. Ideally you can make the motor a prime mover and run loads like motors off of each negative impedance in a series chain. But then you can go out from there again and again just like a) in figure 5 in True Wireless as I mentioned. I did show that at a Goshen Indiana meeting 3 or so years ago. Not endlessly but with several motors, after properly inverting them...

Why not endlessly, if it is truly OU?
Perhaps we have different definitions of terms. To me, OU (overunity) in this context means that a device, over a suitable time interval, produces more energy measured in Joules at its output, than it takes energy in Joules to run it at the input.
Joules out > Joules in, that is what I and I think most others would consider OU.

What say you to this, and please try to not turn it into another wall of text.

We measure energy in Joules, we measure real power in Watts (Joules per Second), we measure reactive power in VARs, we measure current in Amperes and voltage in Volts. Or their powers of ten, like kilovolts, etc.
And energy is the ability to perform work, and work is force times distance, and so on, common engineering and physics definitions, no wordplay or "alternative facts".

Right? Can we agree on some common terms here?

[TinselKoala]

I'm still trying to figure out what kind of OU we are talking about here. I've given three examples that I think are showing similar things to what you are talking about, but apparently you don't have time to look closely at what I presented or to think about it very much. Are they OU, by your definition, or not? I am not talking about proving anything, just take what is presented at face value (since anyone can replicate it and all necessary info is provided) and give a yes or no answer, and if "no" tell why not and why your system doesn't have the same issues.


And perhaps all this talk about Joules and Watts and other dead heads is too confusing for the unwashed masses. So consider this hypothetical:I have a battery and a load compatible with the battery. The battery starts out fully charged. I connect them, and run the load until the battery is so depleted that the load does not run any more at all.

Now I connect my black box in between the battery and the load. Voila! The load starts running again, and runs and runs and runs for a long time, maybe even longer than it ran the first time from the fully charged battery! But it does eventually stop.

No, there is no battery in my black box, just a few common electronic components, and of course it won't work at all without some kind of battery or capacitor connected to the input.

Is this OU, by your definition, or not? Please, no walls of text.