Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[Void]

Notice Void has 10ma (0.01A) on his supply and the other meter reads 20ma. So which is it? How can anyone go from a picture to conclude these things exactly?

Hi Rick, I truly am very embarrassed for you.
Anyone with even a basic understanding of using meters will understand that an ammeter which
only displays its current reading to two decimal places will display 0.01A from 10mA right up to a current
measurement of just under 20mA. This is why I was using my analog DC ammeter, which I have
tested compared to my digital ammeters and I know it is reasonably accurate as I have calibrated it recently.

The problem with his analogy is that my bulbs don't even come on until 6V, and only at 7V can they show any significant brightness.

I did not claim the LED bulb I tested with is the exact same bulb you are using.
Most any modern LED bulbs are all high efficiency and various LED bulbs with different voltage
ratings available these days should all perform at similar high efficiencies. My demo and explanation was not meant
to be an exact replication part for part, but just to show that LED bulbs which should have the same ballpark
efficiency as the LED bulbs you used can glow very brightly with only a relatively small power consumption,
and this can be confirmed if someone actually puts in the effort to measure the actual power consumption
of the LED bulbs in some sort of reasonable way, as Itsu was doing, for example.

Rick, I won't respond to the rest of your excuses and deflections and general hooey, as I am just too busy right now.
I think my demonstration speaks for itself. Without actual power measurements done in some sort of reasonable way,
no conclusions can be drawn about LED bulb power consumption. You will be 'in the dark' so to speak, and just guessing.

Void,merci beaucoup for the well done measurement and comparison !
I think this is a point where also Itsu get his satisfaction !

You are welcome!


P.S. Itsu: Please stick around. Your efforts have been very much appreciated around here over the years.

All the best...

[TinselKoala]

One does tend to wonder why there are only 14 LEDs lit in that famous photo, since there are plenty more coils and plenty more LED bulbs lying around.

[Void]

One does tend to wonder why there are only 14 LEDs lit in that famous photo, since there are plenty more coils and plenty more LED bulbs lying around.

Hi TK. Well, I only counted 11 LED bulbs glowing and one LED bulb that seemed to be connected
but didn't appear to be glowing, in the screen shot of Rick. There might have been one or two more I couldn't see.

The bottom line of course is anyone with any understanding of electronics at all will know that you
can't reliably estimate output power on bulbs (of any type) by just looking at their brightness and
taking a guess at their power consumption. That at least should be a given in this forum at this point.

Also, some cheap LED bulbs can have some inefficient circuitry/components in them for matching
their nominal operating voltage to the voltage of the LED or LEDs inside the bulb, but when you connect such
bulbs up to a high frequency driver circuit, it can bypass any voltage regulating/current limiting circuitry
and cause the LEDs to light up even more efficiently than if you power them with their nominal voltage normally.
The LEDs them self will of course be operating at their typical high efficiency regardless however. Unfortunately, I suspect
that such things will be lost on Rick however, given his various comments here already.


Rick, this is not some 'war' that a person must try to 'win' at all costs using all manner of deflection and excuses,
etc. For at last some people here it is about facts and reality. What is really true, and what is not?
Not about 'winning' or 'losing'. If something is really true, it will be able to stand up to close scrutiny and proper testing
methodology. If you or someone else can demonstrate over unity in a reasonable way showing proper testing methods,
then great, you are in the right place. There are usually people here (or there were) who will be willing to put in the effort to
try to confirm or negate by replicating the circuitry or approach and put it through proper tests. The goal being to determine, 
'how is the setup really performing'?

Reality, what a concept!

All the best...

[rickfriedrich]

Wow, you are really just digging deeper and deeper. You must be a comedian.  You just can't help twisting reality. You have to tell a Void to cover up. Tell me how your picture shows that it is just under 20ma? It actually shows 22ma, unless you are looking sideways at it so that the angle makes it not 22ma but 19.999. 

So you can't even properly evaluate your own picture. Then you have to resort to another Void.

I am glad you are starting to feel your embarrassment.

This brings up the question, because your meter is obviously wrong, then why would your voltage reading be assumed to be correct. Maybe it is 12V? Maybe your analogue ma meter is turned way down? I'm just saying. So far you have been void of truth, especially in this last response. I actually didn't even remember the exact reading on the meter and actually assumed that you would not Void about that. But just to be sure I clicked back to look at the image, and I was just amazed  Apparently you didn't bother to look. Or maybe you were just hoping no one would look back at the picture. Better go and photoshop that picture. Oh wait, I included a close up of it for everyone.

You won't admit my point at all. You just deflect entirely. You have not shown us anything here but that you are void of truth in your attempts to attack. And now you just prove my point. Again, my point is that you can't prove anything in pictures or video. I was waiting for this.

You say that:
"My demo and explanation was not meant to be an exact replication part for part". Or was it? For:
"just to show that LED bulbs which should have the same ballpark efficiency as the LED bulbs you used".
And you don't call that a Void assumption? Not at all the same load. The ones I have are very common. But again, they only start to come on at 6V, and were at 1/2W brightness. You assume I didn't measure. But I had shown all of you the measurements then you wouldn't have said all the things you have said over the last month. You would probably have just dismissed it in the ways you guys always do, and then I would have lost the opportunity to witness all the fallacies and deflections, etc. This gave the perfect opportunity to expose the games being played on this and other forums. It brought out the deeper issues as to why these forums don't work for any good. It brought out the confirmation bias. 

You won't address what I have to say because you can admit anything true here. You actually deflect and now will have to hide your face for a good while 

You are right about one thing: "I think my demonstration speaks for itself." Once again Void of truth.

So tell me what is Void from your last statement? "Without actual power measurements done in some sort of reasonable way, no conclusions can be drawn about LED bulb power consumption."
I mean, I have done my power measurements. But what is missing from your statement--where's the Void? Again, it is my point:
"Without actual power measurements done in some sort of reasonable way," and reasonable as in the real world only, and not with the idea that such can be transferred over the Internet, "no conclusions can be drawn about LED bulb power consumption." But you did not do any of that. It was not even a "reasonable" power measurement, nor was it demonstrated in the real world to anyone who you were trying to convince. Just because you use the right words does not mean you understand or exercise reasonableness. You have been Void of the reason of my video, and Void of reason about what you have been saying. But at least you showed us your work finally. And yes, it speaks for itself! 

Hi Rick, I truly am very embarrassed for you.
Anyone with even a basic understanding of using meters will understand that an ammeter which only displays its current reading to two decimal places will display 0.01A from 10mA right up to a current measurement of just under 20mA. This is why I was using my analog DC ammeter, which I have tested compared to my digital ammeters and I know it is reasonably accurate as I have calibrated it recently.

I did not claim the LED bulb I tested with is the exact same bulb you are using.
Most any modern LED bulbs are all high efficiency and various LED bulbs with different voltage
ratings available these days should all perform at similar high efficiencies. My demo and explanation was not meant to be an exact replication part for part, but just to show that LED bulbs which should have the same ballpark efficiency as the LED bulbs you used can glow very brightly with only a relatively small power consumption, and this can be confirmed if someone actually puts in the effort to measure the actual power consumption of the LED bulbs in some sort of reasonable way, as Itsu was doing, for example.

Rick, I won't respond to the rest of your excuses and deflections and general hooey, as I am just too busy right now.
I think my demonstration speaks for itself. Without actual power measurements done in some sort of reasonable way, no conclusions can be drawn about LED bulb power consumption. You will be 'in the dark' so to speak, and just guessing.
You are welcome!

[rickfriedrich]

Wow, it is famous now.
There was maybe 90 coils, not 14.
I already explained why if you read. One does tend to wonder why people wonder when they don't bother to read what is written or look at the actual picture to see.
Come to think of if, I remember why in the meeting, it was because we only had that many capacitors.

One does tend to wonder why there are only 14 LEDs lit in that famous photo, since there are plenty more coils and plenty more LED bulbs lying around.