Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[a.king21]

Assuming each red led is at 2 volts and 20ma = 40 mw consumption per red led = 0.04 watts.
Therefore 25  red leds = 1 watt consumption. We have over 50 of these so we have to add a further 2 watts output to our calculations in addition to the 1/2 watt lit mr16s. (he he)

[poynt99]

That's a big part of the problem Aking... folks making assumptions about how much current, voltage, and/or power their LED's are using.


I can tell you from experience, and by comparison to the background lighting, that none of those LEDs are anywhere near their full brightness. Try lighting a discrete LED with 5mA of current...I think you may be shocked at how bright it can be.


So, it is more likely 2mA, x 1.8V = 3.6mW
and... 3.6mW x 50 LEDs = 180mW.


-OR-


5mA x 1.8V = 9mW
x 50 = 450mW

[rickfriedrich]

You guys are just against OU. As Stefan says, you just flame over and over. People don't do that unless they want to suppress something. You offer nothing useful here. You have not participated in anything but the flaming. That's it. I do not have to do anything. I'm not obligated to any of you. You make your demands and insults, but what do you show? Nothing. No information. Just attacks. I am just freely sharing information. Just what "must" I "start" doing? I can't bring you here to prove something. You attack me about meters. I show meters. You then just say meters are nothing anyway. But I said from the start you can't prove anything with a meter, with or without meters. Anyone confirming a claim for or against OU still doesn't prove anything to anyone else but themselves. You can have 100 people saying they prove or disprove something to themselves. Still means nothing. Get it through your head people, this is just information sharing.
I am giving you general things to consider. I gave you the heart of the matter, the principles of free energy. I answered everyone each question but you don't answer mine. I pointed to Barrett but you just ignore this while calling me ignorant. You guys are the ignorant ones who show nothing either. Just mention some guy who we are supposed to just accept. I give you a real leading authority who listed solid evidence from history and reputable sources. What I am doing is showing you in crude form these things, but also the math as well. It is above every one of you no doubt and that is why you are all silent. I give you a little bit to see what you do with it. You insult and demand more. I watch you all squirm around here. You want more, then answer my questions first. You wanted more, I gave you an exact meter reading. You want meters I gave you one. Not the one you wanted, but I already gave you the ones you want. You don't pay attention to details already give. I gave a very significant scope shot and you all missed it. If you want to replicate what I am showing or doing then don't be like Itsu and just read the first line and assume you know what I am saying. I shared several very significant things. You all ignore most of it. But not the silent watchers who are many now. I showed things. I explained them. I answered all the questions. I won the debates about the primary issues. And I backed up the processes with real math, even from the original Maxwell equations prior to Heaviside, Hertz, Lorenz, and Lorentz, etc. I don't see any of you putting forth such efforts like this. On top of that, I demonstrated these things to over 100,000 different people over the last 15 years! Many of which are top scientists and engineers in leading companies and government. You guys represent relatively basic engineering experience. You speak exactly that way.

I think Stefan has made things clear, just stop flaming. Spend your time sharing OU information, not anti-OU information. This forum is about OU not anti-OU. If you don't have any OU information then go find some. Report back when you have something. But just rambling over and over again about how OU is impossible, either directly or indirectly, is just being a troll. Insisting upon OU being self-running or looped is also a waste of everyone times. Insisting upon certain measurements is also unjustified and a waste of everyone's time. I have many ways to demonstrate OU without meters and with meters. Not one of you is the judge because you claim to never have experienced OU. So you don't even know what you are looking for yet. I told you I have run certain setups for years, but even that didn't matter. I even had meters on it. Yet that didn't matter either. The story keeps changing. The meters had to have exact logging for three years apparently, otherwise it was nothing at all! You guys are absolutely incredulous within your own arbitrary context. You reasoned against me in your assumptions about me, demanding that I do this or that. Assuming that I didn't already do such things and many more that you don't even understand. So when I share that I have you still don't believe anything. But I have said all along that you can't prove anything for someone else over the internet anyway. So all the flaming and trolling was for nothing anyway. All this time spent, and only a few people have posted useful information. I have written a book here of useful information. But no matter what I share you just all attack. If you didn't believe it then why ask the questions? Why not just move on to something positive? Some of you have asked and really applied some things I have shared. But you say that I must participate??? Hmmm, when have you participated? What positive contribution have you given towards OU? And just what am I not participating in? What, trying to prove something over the internet? Telling you what bulbs I use? I use many different bulbs. Again, you guys expect the world from me. You think I owe you something. You disrespect me and ignore all the important things I write. I'm not about to come under your requests. I know how to teach in these matters as I have been doing that for years. I know why you don't believe these things. Although I am not convinced that you disbelieve them at all. So I am stressing the things that you need to see. I am breaking you guys down bit by bit until you see what you need to. Eventually the principles of free energy will be understood, and people will be able to make countless OU machines. You guys are hung up on things that are not the point. The reason is because you are only here to disprove something. You have all shown that you assume I am wrong automatically. Each one of you flamers have demonstrated this many times. Naturally you are just going to argue in a circle. And therefore you have nothing positive to contribute. Others shared my work before I knew of this thread. I shared more. Others are sharing more. What more do you expect? Blood?

So come to grips with this being an information sharing only thread. Do something positive. If you can't do that, then don't waste people's time and fill up this thread with useless words. If you want more from me then answer my questions and acknowledge my answers already given. But each of you ten ore more flamers only revile and can never admit one thing. As I wrote, if that was really true that I was mistaken in everything then you would not spend any time here responding so vigorously. So the truth is that you don't want to admit any truth.

By the way, Jimbob of such and such company with 100,000+ employees laughs at your words along with everyone in the company. How silly to say such things. That is just the fallacy of appealing to authority when the person is no authority at all. No man is a judge over any other man in such matters. When I quote Barrett as a leading authority I don't engage in that fallacy as I appeal to his words, which quote solid evidence. But you guys just mention names with no substance. You therefore imply that truth and prove is to be established by mere appeals to persons and not real world facts. Thus you flamers have consistently promoted unscientific beliefs and practices here, while insulting me for not going along with that. I've just been saying all along: "Says who?" What makes your words so much more important? Who made you guys the lawgiver here? On the contrary each one of you has really embarrassed yourselves in serious self-contradiction.

Stefan,
Rick has to unterstand that nobody is against him.
But he must start to participate.
What you suggest to do next? Continue without measuring?
Just build the thing without knowing what is really happening and how  much we can pull from that system? And if we can pull more than we put in?
Because we can not find common point, can you be the one and make some decisions as neutral person.?
Suggest next steps?
Make some rules?

[rickfriedrich]

No you are the problem. You are the one that wrote on OUR forum that I am off 150 to 250 times!!! So you have proven yourself prejudice. You don't even know the bulbs Aking and I have. And you are supposed to be the expert and gatekeeper of that whole forum! I think no one else would have even said 15 to 25 times, but you wrote 150 to 250. This shows everyone that you are completely unreliable for any of this. Now if you were not set up as the grand master and self-proclaimed expert, who is not even capable of making a mistaken, then I wouldn't say all this.

Aking has the kit and bulbs so he has more of an ability to evaluate what I am doing because he can replicate it in the real world over there. You are not in either real world, mine or his. You just speculate in complete ignorance. You are just the same as Mythbusters and this is but entertainment.
You can't tell us anything from experience. You cannot prove to us that you have any experience. And you don't even know the bulbs we have. So your words are useless. Nor are they even reasonable. I already said that I have measured the bulbs and done side by side measurements, etc. You are not here so your words are empty and a waste of time. Again, I am pointing out that you are not an expert and just assume what you want here and with your claim that I am off by 150 to 250 times.

Again, if 75 little bulbs are at 2V 20ma then we would have 3W. But let's divide 75 bulbs into 0.75W. 0.01W (2V 5ma). But what about the big bulbs? I had 15 at one point at 1/2W brightness while the little bulbs were on. That's over 8W. And many more coils could have been added as everyone could see.

The point is that in the real world people could understand especially this last point. It didn't matter how many coils, they were not drawing more energy when I added more coils. This was proven to the people watching (and who were the ones setting up the coils and putting the LEDs and caps on the coils). And the picture and video were made in such a way as to make it evident that the amount of light exceeded that which was possible (given you all believing that a video can prove something like that, which I deny).

I will not give you anything more than what you need. You can prove these things to yourself. But just saying things like this adds no value to anyone. Just saying you have experience when you don't is a waste of everyone's time. You don't have experience because you were not here or there when we did our tests! In fact I picked a particular LED that could withstand high voltages and amperages and not blow out easy. It easily does 40ma. So you cannot compare one part with another in this respect. I didn't give you part numbers because I wanted to see you guys all say such things and show everyone your assumptions. I wanted everyone to see why these forums have failed for so many years. Now that is clear to everyone. Again, I didn't come here to try and prove OU to you. I don't owe you part numbers or information. But you all owe respect for members who share information about their OU experiences. But you have not shown respect, but rather have made demands with insults. So now you are on your own to figure out what you want. You are only here to commit to disproving OU. You don't show us any positive evidence for OU. Yet you set yourself up as expert. How strange! You reject Aking claiming he is making assumptions while you make your own assumptions. And you know you are doing just that, which makes it all the worse.

So again, if you don't have anything positive to say, then don't waste our time with useless comparisons. Stop suppressing people's positive testimony when you have no basis for your statements.

That's a big part of the problem Aking... folks making assumptions about how much current, voltage, and/or power their LED's are using.
I can tell you from experience, and by comparison to the background lighting, that none of those LEDs are anywhere near their full brightness. Try lighting a discrete LED with 5mA of current...I think you may be shocked at how bright it can be.
So, it is more likely 2mA, x 1.8V = 3.6mW
and... 3.6mW x 50 LEDs = 180mW.
-OR-
5mA x 1.8V = 9mW
x 50 = 450mW

[TinselKoala]

Good grief.