Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[Void]

That's actually incorrect Void.
When the source is disconnected from an inductor,and the magnetic field collapses around the inductor,the voltage across the inductor invert's,and is of opposite polarity to that of the source,as the inductor is no longer the sink,it is the source.

When a voltage is dropped across an inductor,current will start to flow,and a magnetic field builds.
When the voltage source is disconnected,the magnetic field now starts to collapse and cut through the windings in the opposite direction. This causes a voltage inversion across the coil,but the current will continue to flow in the same direction through the coil. 

Brad

Hi Brad, You need to read more carefully. I did not state anywhere that the voltage across the coil remains the same polarity.
I stated that the voltage across the coil when the magnetic field collapses is
the same polarity as the original applied voltage Vi, so it acts to try to keep the current flowing in the same direction
in the coil that it was flowing in before Vi was cut off. It is not of a polarity that is in opposition to the original applied voltage Vi,
so it is definitely incorrect to call it 'Back EMF' or 'Counter EMF'. Exactly as I wrote in my previous comment.

[lancaIV]

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://fbadhusha.weebly.com/uploads/3/8/9/5/3895546/ele-pulse-power.pdf&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiLsv2I_e7jAhVOUcAKHbJ_C2oQFggLMAA&usg=AOvVaw15n2Y3-tIhLqGJNmmXXoLp
only for the given example correct : 15000 VA peak ~ 144 Watt average power
The arithnetical/ technical  CO.P. measurement/ calculation  question/ problem. !?
Rick Friedrich : no, not Joule/cycle( T.Barrett) , but Joule / signal  gives the perfect  base for measurements !

[lancaIV]

Rick Friederich : not Joule/cycle but Joule/signal(=pulse) I accept as measure method !
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://fbadhusha.weebly.com/uploads/3/8/9/5/3895546/ele-pulse-power.pdf&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiLsv2I_e7jAhVOUcAKHbJ_C2oQFggLMAA&usg=AOvVaw15n2Y3-tIhLqGJNmmXXoLp
We can and ( let)  do cycles ( signal-/frequency-/time-generator)and signals( dutyfactor) becomes different  !
15000 VA pulsativ ~ 144 Watt DC : this means calculative and measureable " pseudo-Overunity-factor 100+"  !
There is no magic  !

[rickfriedrich]

The thing to keep in mind in all these things is the entire global environment. What continually happens in these dialogues is that parts and processes are looked at as if they are in a vacuum and are parts unto themselves. This is why I keep stressing real world conditions and testing.

People who take a symmetrical theory and methodology will always look at parts with a sort of 2 dimensional basic vector analysis perspective and will naturally always assume there can be no gain within that circle reasoning. They can either mistake in only looking at things ideally by just following what the books teach or they can do some basic experiments and assume THAT represents all possible relationships. This is because everything is assumed to be linear and under unity. So this leads people to assume that there would be no real difference between using a flyback diode across the coil as there would be in adding a battery or load in series with it.

Why? Because everyone wants to oversimplify science and assumes the outcome. But the impulsing of a coil and the resulting phenomena manifesting after turn off is not an isolated matter. This is not a static process but is highly dynamic with significant effects upon the area around the wires and all associated parts connected.

People just assume a body is just simply made up of individual parts that have all of their actions in themselves. But it is not that way at all. They change as they become part of the whole. They are affected differently by being combined with different parts under different environments. This is why you have to have a topological approach to electrical engineering. Everything is affected by environmental considerations, obviously thermal being agreed upon by everyone. But if we go back to Faraday we can see him beginning to stress such things which gives hope to over unity results as I mentioned.

Again, people want to assume that the coil will do the same things under different conditions. They assume that whether a part or parts are around or attached to the coil it will make no substantial difference. But this is not the case in chemistry, biology, acoustics, and especially in electrodynamics (unless you have a very limited view of things). The assumption results from the fact that they only think in single body circuit conditions. But once we begin to look at the entire physical impact upon the local environment, and especially when other independent bodies come under that influence, we can see things more realistically like in the biological world where relationships are not static but dynamic. In theology and religion we call this being legalistic to boil a general down to a specific occurrence.

In the case of motors all we normally have is the suppression of the spike or at least using the bemf to determine timing, etc. No one considers the highly dynamic environment, which is highly nonlinear, and seeks to benefit from that with connecting up to that "source" as Brad rightly calls it. Placing parts in suitable relationships with that reaction can result in additional gains if you allow it. The point I showed was such an example. Whether you think it is OU or free energy isn't really the point. The point is that I did something than people are not doing which resulted in an immediate gain. Two different forms of gains. My point was to ask the question, why are people not doing this? Because it leads to the more important point that people are ignoring what is freely given to them already. It is just assumed that if there was a way to do things better and get more gains then everyone would be doing it. Obviously that is not the case, especially when the biggest companies in the world are selling electricity and fuel.

The bigger point than the fact that people are not taking advantage of what they already know and can do is that this then points to the fact that people engage in the is/ought fallacy and assume that there can be nothing more than what they know. With regards to parts they think egocentrically if that makes sense. So how does this translate here? The motor coil is viewed merely as tool to produce mechanical force and it's efficiency is based upon the amount of forward current it takes for that action over time. A single purpose part or element in a monolithic circuit. Efficiency is calculated, losses determined, and that is the extent of it. Hooking up anything to the coil would seem pointless if everything is symmetrical and adds up. But Tesla comes along and adds his many-body reactive elements into that environment and shows us that you can do a lot more than what is assumed by two dimensional people.

If we get some useful energy that we didn't before, it should open us up the possibility that maybe if we enlarge upon that idea we can get more. What if we have a much bigger load than a tiny capacitor? Like a battery? And if a battery charges at all, when that was never expected (because after all, what can a transient impulse do to a battery?), then what if we add a bigger battery bank? No one who limits themselves to linear possibilities will even bother to test that out. And if they do, they will just try to disprove it as we can see the same tendencies here. Because there are trillions of dollars riding on the suppression of nonlinear dynamics.

Bottom line is that the coil is not to be looked at as a part unto itself and that its effects under impulsing will be different according to different populated environments. This is what topology is all about in electrodynamics. Mainstream electrical science is not altogether false. The main problem is with it's limited scope. People can mock the fan conversion point, but it is an effective tool to open up these facts.

That's actually incorrect Void.
When the source is disconnected from an inductor,and the magnetic field collapses around the inductor,the voltage across the inductor invert's,and is of opposite polarity to that of the source,as the inductor is no longer the sink,it is the source.

When a voltage is dropped across an inductor,current will start to flow,and a magnetic field builds.
When the voltage source is disconnected,the magnetic field now starts to collapse and cut through the windings in the opposite direction. This causes a voltage inversion across the coil,but the current will continue to flow in the same direction through the coil. 


Brad

[rickfriedrich]

Maybe if you took some time to type things out properly people may pay attention more and bother to read what you are trying to say. I'm not interested in trying to get inside of people's heads.

Rick Friederich : not Joule/cycle but Joule/signal(=pulse) I accept as measure method !
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://fbadhusha.weebly.com/uploads/3/8/9/5/3895546/ele-pulse-power.pdf&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiLsv2I_e7jAhVOUcAKHbJ_C2oQFggLMAA&usg=AOvVaw15n2Y3-tIhLqGJNmmXXoLp
We can and ( let)  do cycles ( signal-/frequency-/time-generator)and signals( dutyfactor) becomes different  !
15000 VA pulsativ ~ 144 Watt DC : this means calculative and measureable " pseudo-Overunity-factor 100+"  !
There is no magic  !