Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[SeaMonkey]

Rick bases his technology on proven patents by Carlos Benitez.

I've studied Benitez and Tesla.  They both have made premature
claims without sufficient comprehension of what they had
observed.  This was also true (erroneous claims) of many other
researchers from years ago.  Time will always tell.

You may not get your 20 minutes back but you'll be wiser for
having expended the time.  Over time as we acquire more and
more understanding our opinions change.  Yours will too.

As of this year 2019 there has not been a single soul in all of
humanity who has developed any electrical or electronic device
which will produce a sustained power output greater than its
input power requirement.

Daniel Pomerleau has been given access to a source of Free
Energy which is the same source accessed by the Secret
Programs.  Looking for Overunity or Free Energy in electric
and electronic devices is not where it is.  It is possible to
recover "wasted" energy in such devices by making them
more efficient by minimizing losses and much effort is devoted
to that pursuit.  Overunity it is not.

Think Alien Encounters.  Then you'll be close to the target.

[gotoluc]

Luc,

It would be good to read first what exactly Rick means on a COP > 1 performance, for instance ? How he defines COP.  He mentions work done which sounds good for a start...

Gyula

No problem Gyula, I've unsubscribed from this topic.
Please notify me when the information is satisfactory.


@SeaMonkey, spot on. Wish I had your writing skills
@Mannix, the years you've been here deserves respect

@a.king.21, you're protecting beliefs, not facts
@seychelles, maybe I shouldn't say anything, can't be easy to be stuck on a tinny Island in the middle of the sea

Kind regards
Luc

[seychelles]

YOU ARE RIGHT LUCKY LUKE. I MADE FIRE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJvosb4UCLs

[rickfriedrich]

I didn't just mention work done for a start, there has been much detail given already.

It is rather important to carefully define such ideas. The full idea will depend upon what you come into this with. Most people want to look at circuits as if they are completely closed to the environment. They oversimplify matters for convenience and because they think usually environmental influences or things influenced in the local environment are minimal. I have mentioned several times now that at least everyone acknowledges thermal and altitude influences. So there is no closed system ever. With that said, COP is more than just the basic statement of: "Ratio of the usable energy output of a system divided by that portion of the total energy input that is input by the operator." You can also consider this with average output and input. Now there is more to consider when you realize that usable energy output is relative to what you know about energy dynamics. This is why as a philosopher I am not insistent upon keywords that are often defined differently or over simplistically. It takes time to understand what people exactly mean by keywords.

For example, if we have a fan that is 94% efficient and we only assume mechanical work to be possible with that fan under the circumstances, then we will only get a limited result. But what if we move around a diode and reduce that input energy while also producing an additional electrical output? More usable energy output manifests with less operator input. Now what if Heaviside was right and there was also more potential energy still (beyond the Poynting diverged energy) that could be used from this primary loop process? In both cases you would have made changes so technically speaking the basic definitions still holds with only the parts normally used and positioned. You have to 1. place a sail in the air to catch the wind, or 2. a battery in a Loving Path to benefit from the unused potential. (2.) The solar panel placed in a dark room or without a load represents the fan's coils' negative phase without the Loving Path extra loop with battery in series. (1.) The Heavi wind moves the Poynting boat a little along its current path, and when a capacitor sail is properly positioned the boat moves faster. And when the captain tells his crew that he will share the spoils the men row in battery faster still towards the free treasures.

I cannot stress enough the total environmental causes and effects and topological considerations upon all electrical systems, especially with nonlinear systems with reactive elements. What you go into this with is what you will come out with. Methodology is everything. We can have several outputs at once if we know what collectors to use and how to properly transduce or process such. This can be shuttled around to reduce or eliminate the operator's input while producing other useful work as well.

Luc,
It would be good to read first what exactly Rick means on a COP > 1 performance, for instance ? How he defines COP.  He mentions work done which sounds good for a start...
Gyula

[rickfriedrich]

Nice try Monkey,
While there certainly are many who are mistaken about free energy due to ignorance it is not true that all are ignorant about electronics or metering that say they have OU when they don't. There are/were a good number of people who were fully trained and decided to take advantage of people through deception. That is like organized or trained criminals.

You assume I am mistaken or ignorant or deceiving others. I am neither of these and I have been doing electrical things since I was a child. So far you are wrong in all of your insults. You say not good and explaining but you haven't bothered to pay attention to the words. You think you are cleaver with your words but the fact that you have to resort to sophistry shows that that is the only card you have.

What you think is prematurely claimed is not the standard of what is true unless you think you have a monopoly on truth. This has been the prevailing attitude by so many people here. Their experience has been the standard of what is possible. That is immature. Just because others have not experienced something doesn't mean a person can't make a claim. Someone witnesses a murder, is that any less true because others didn't witness it? Someone moves a diode and adds a battery as an additional load. Just because no one has done that before doesn't mean that it is not to be mentioned.

"Sadly, most who we see [here] proclaiming that they've found the secret to Free Energy or Overunity  [to be impossible] are doing so very prematurely or with the intent to deceive for either fun or profit."

Your sophistry speaks volumes about you and your friends.

Perhaps from your perspective it may seem to be an
"attack" but what I've done is focus on behaviors
which can be modified or corrected.

There is certainly nothing wrong with what Rick is
striving to accomplish.  His kits may indeed help
those who are curious to become better acquainted
with the science of electricity and electronics.

Hopefully, those who pursue Overunity or Free Energy
will become intimately aware of the Scientific Method
which strives to find TRUTH and let go of any thoughts
of deceiving the masses for either fun or profit.

Does anyone find it rather strange that those who
are most vocal about having found Overunity or Free
Energy is that they seem to have these things in common:
they're relatively new to the science of electricity and
electronics and are not particularly good at accurate
measurement techniques and not particularly good at
explaining what they believe they have "discovered"
and why it seems to manifest "Free Energy."

The Scientific Method demands that until such time
as replication with instrumented proof of measurement
we should all be skeptical as we seek to comprehend.
We should also be particularly careful to not make any
claims prematurely or in error.

Sadly, most who we see proclaiming that they've found
the secret to Free Energy or Overunity are doing so
very prematurely or with the intent to deceive for either
fun or profit.

Why does it seem that honesty and integrity are
lost in the process for too many proclaimers?



I see that you've apparently fallen into that hole too.

As with all things under the sun;  time will tell.