12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[WhiteFalcon]

I'm not sure if this device is or is not OU, but I'm impressed to the point that I want to try to build a replica!!

I'll put down to example of why I think it is OU.

1) Let's talk about a gas engine and an alternator.  The engine is connected FIRMLY to the alternator pulley, to the point that when you turn the alternator by hand, the force will make the engine turn...  The engine doesn't need to give a lot of energy to make the alternator to turn when there is no load on it.  But if you put a load on the alternator (retrieving energy from it), a COUNTERFORCE will slow down the engine, since they are firmly connected.  Extracting too much energy of the alternator may even lead to engine stalling...

2) The pendulum is not OU.  Nor the lever is!   We ALL know that.  The interesting thing in the Milkovic device is that energy is easily transferred to the lever, but the lever cannot swing back the same COUNTERFORCE to the pendulum, since the connection between the two of them is "quite interesting" !!!  In the end, ALL of the energy that the pendulum GIVES (on the way down) is used to make the other end of the lever to go up (less friction, for sure!!).  Then, the lever can extract work from gravity, and is going down.  The energy extracted from gravity SHOULD be the energy returned as a counterforce to the pendulum, but can't, because of the "interesting connection"... so this energy is extractable from the device for us, without affecting the input side.  And what did the pendulum used to give energy to the lever : it's own mass!  Did he lost it? No!!


Another example that made me thinking, to show that a normal "lever" is different from this device.  Let's say I set up a lever with a 10:1 ratio.  I can lift a 200 lbs rock!!  If I say "Put your finger under the lever" you know I can crush it if I push the lever with both of my arms and legs!!  But you have nothing to fear if I only tap the lever with my little finger!!!!

But if I tap the pendulum just ONCE with my finger on Milkovic's device, your finger will be crushed by the 25 kg of mass of the lever on its way down!!  I can even say : "I can crush a new finger with each little tap of my little finger on the pendulum!!"

WF

[shruggedatlas]

Another example that made me thinking, to show that a normal "lever" is different from this device.  Let's say I set up a lever with a 10:1 ratio.  I can lift a 200 lbs rock!!  If I say "Put your finger under the lever" you know I can crush it if I push the lever with both of my arms and legs!!  But you have nothing to fear if I only tap the lever with my little finger!!!!

But if I tap the pendulum just ONCE with my finger on Milkovic's device, your finger will be crushed by the 25 kg of mass of the lever on its way down!!  I can even say : "I can crush a new finger with each little tap of my little finger on the pendulum!!"

WF

I think you are giving both too much and too little credit to the "tap".  How strong is a tap?  If you mean a moderate tap, maybe enough to move 500g, then it is enough to injure or at least seriously discomfort my finger!  With a 10 to 1 advantage, this translates to 5kg, and I would not want a 5kg weight to be pressing on any of my fingers!

On the other hand, to threaten me with Milkovic's device, you would need to tap a 25kg weight.  I do not know how far you have to tap it, but to get it up any amount would certainly require a force equal to having to lift 2 or 3 kg, and this is stretching the definition of a tap.

[Dingus Mungus]

You won't know what you're taking about untill you build a model.
It doesn't have to be perfect! Just do the wind resistance demo.
Its amazing to see how much work the lever does vrs pendulum.
Linear equations can not help you understand this device.

I'm so tired of fighting the nay sayers,
~Dingus Mungus

Its not OU yet, but with proper developement I think it's CoP>1.

[AlanR]

Hi all, first post....

hate to start off like this, but this exact thing has been beaten to death at the besslerwheel.com forums over and over again.

All manner of pendulum and many other purely mechanical solutions (as Besslers wheel was, take a look!) are investigated.

To date nothing has shown OU    but that hasn't stopped us (or you guys  )

Keep trying, but you are wasting your time chasing this particular one.

Hope to make a more positive comment next time, best of luck chaps.

Alan.

[d3adp00l]

If it was (which it is not) 12 time more out then heres the simple test, use the level to produce power to manipulate the pendulum, if it can keep going then it is o/u because it is beating friction, if it can't then its not. This device is the swinging equal to the worm and spur gear thats all.