12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[Merg]

To all,

I have just read this paper and I believe it deserves to be shared with others.
We have here one very good described experimental work on Milkovic's two-stage oscillator by Jovan Marjanovic where he reports on his replication work and attempt to close the loop…

I am very grateful for this excellent paper â€" it will be very useful for all experimenters. It’s better you first read it.

Jovan Marjanovic â€" Mechanical Feedback Loop Problems and Possible Solutions in the Two-Stage Oscillator of Veljko Milkovic
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Jovan_Marjanovic_Mechanical_Feedback_Loop.pdf

[tagor]

Jovan Marjanovic â€" Mechanical Feedback Loop Problems and Possible Solutions in the Two-Stage Oscillator of Veljko Milkovic
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Jovan_Marjanovic_Mechanical_Feedback_Loop.pdf

this is the wrong way to loop the  Two-Stage Oscillator !

[Paul-R]

this is the wrong way to loop the  Two-Stage Oscillator !

...then tell us what the right way is.

[astroshima]

Can anyone explain me how we will calculate the output energy of generator in case of using E=mgdh for input energy??? If I attach simple wattmeter it cannot show me precise output energy cause volts and amperes will vary (decrease) during the work of oscillator.

If you have all that, (I believe) you have all tools that you need for complete system analysis!
Please do not be fooled by some (you know who) "overunitists" claims that you need "this and that" or that it is "too complicated". I believe its easy if you are really honest person!

1. For Output energy measurement I think you could use:
- your "wattmeter" +
- good timer (or watch) +
- simple video camera (that clearly captures: time + "wattmeter" data + oscillator) + (*)

If you have previous and publish good made video (which Milkovics "team" newer do!) on youtube, other people could calculate(!!!) and they (or you) would also need:
(*)
- pencil +
- paper with precise (millimeter) grid (to draw "volts and amperes" or Electric Power graph as a function of time) +
- Few formulas from Physics (dA=dE= P*dt, A=E=Sum(or Integral) P*dt) - please correct me if I made mistake with this formulas...it was long ago when I have used them. But it is very easy to use them! Trivial! Every student knows them!

So after watching good made video and drawing Electric Power (P) Graph as function of time P(t), it is needed to Sum all Energy differentials (dE) (= Work differentials dA) = Power(P(t)) * Time differentials (dt). (or Sum(dA=dE= P*dt)).
So the final formula is E (=A) = Sum (or Integral) (P(t) * dt)

That Sum (or integral) is equal to physical area between Electric power graph line (P(t) or P) and time axis line (t).
So use precise (millimeter) grid on paper to approximate area that is consisted of many little squares (or columns of squares = polygons) that forms it! Its Easy! Students do this!
The units for this physical area calculation are: seconds (s = time from horizontal time axis line (t)) and Watts (W = (electric) power from vertical Power axis line (P)). A = E = P*t
And you made it! And we all made it!

2. For Input Energy measurement you need:

- good timer (or watch) +
- simple video camera +
- felt tip (to make a visible dot at pendulum mass center) +
- Paper with precise grid (behind pendulum so you could measure heights recorded by video camera)

And please publish intelligently made videos (and or measurements) on youtube...

PS: I believe that (if one know physics), the most simple experiment that is needed is a single pendulum swing recorded with all necessary measurements data by video camera. Ofcourse other experiments could be also usefull like: single Energy input scenario (is enough I think...) or more (repeated) energy inputs scenario (which is same as previous but repeated many times)...
Personally I do not believe Milkovic. As to my knowledge he is a historian and not a physicist so I believe he do not know physics! I also do not know physics but at least I have past Theoretical Mechanics and Some Electric Engineering exams in College.
And Real Scientists do all measurements and publish all measured data! But people who do marketing publish only data that serves they private purpose!

[TinselKoala]

@astroshima: You make too much good sense. You had better be careful, you will be placed in the "Evil Skeptic" category and be accused of impeding progress in this important area of research that might be the Answer that will free us from the Tyranny of Oil!!

The reason what you have suggested isn't being done, or shown, is very clear.

It is because your suggested method will not indicate overunity performance...therefore it must be wrong.

Because Milkovic has already proven that his device is overunity. Don't you recall the hand-pumped flashlight demo? What could possibly be better proof than that??

Why, soon we will all be driving around in Milkovic-oscillator powered cars, our cellphones will be powered by tiny 12x pendulum stacks, air travel will be revolutionized...

Now, if only we could get rid of the noise...