12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[astroshima]

Just want again to illustrate how useful are measurements so I will borrow this quote for that purpose:

... Milkovic has already proven that his device is overunity. Don't you recall the hand-pumped flashlight demo? What could possibly be better proof than that??

That same apparatus and experiment could be used with measurements!
Video camera could capture whole experiment (one or several times repeated).

1. For output Energy measurement and calculation:
Wattmeter could measure output power on dynamo lamp(s).

2. For Input Energy measurement and calculation:
a) We need Paper with Ruler Grid behind pendulum for measuring pendulum heights (h or dh - depending on experiment and input energy calculation method: E=m*g*(h1-h2) or dE = m*g*dh).
b) When pendulum Fulcrum reach starting point (or maximum height) then Pendulum mass should be stroked or lifted in other direction - to go up instead of down so we could measure dh (height) before pendulum lose that input energy...
c)However if we do just one pendulum lift scenario and record it with camera (I believe) we could calculate that dh with formula dh = h1 - h2 so we do not need repeated pendulum strokes or lifting.

By the way (one digression):
1. As Physics learns us, Force integral formula used for dynamometer (with fish scale) is the same as potential energy formula. (A = E = Sum(F*ds) = Sum((m*a)*ds) = Sum((m*g)*dh) = m*g*h). So I think that all talk, that we can not use second one, because it is "wrong" one, and, that we have to use the first one, because it is "good" one, has nothing to do with physics because its the same formula. All useful input work (when pendulum fulcrum reach starting point) is done against gravity force (so we have only vertical components of path (s) and acceleration (a) vectors and that are: g and h). And since experimenter (J. Bebic) do not draw Forces Schema or sets System Equations, before dynamometer measurement, he (and we) can not see what is he measuring. Not to mention that without good made video, experiment is practically useless to other people .
2. One also need to lift or stroke pendulum weight at the same moment as it would do with dynamometer pulling. So I believe that we have practically the same experiment...See also 2. b) remark here. (from: "For Input Energy measurement and calculation")

[TinselKoala]

Ermm...yes.

I realize my sarcasm can be rather subtle at times. Just to be clear, I find the Milkovic system to be an elaborate pendulum energy storage system, with possible chaotic performance at times :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKXVl-W6HGc&feature=related

There is no way that it is "overunity", and in fact it really isn't even a very efficient way to store energy. It may at times magnify force or power, but so what, so does a flywheel, and it cannot continue to do so without corresponding energy input, plus a little more to overcome losses.

[hansvonlieven]

@ TK

You are right about the system being chaotic. When you look at the pendulum side of the system say from the balance beam fulcrum onwards you will notice that you have in effect a double pendulum. The chaotic movement of a double pendulum is well known.

The fact that the balance beam part has only limited movement only dampens the chaos effect, but does not eliminate it. That is why you cannot fit a crankshaft to the device because the strokes are uneven.

Hans von Lieven

[truth]

 

If the weight of the pendulum(W) must be lifted to a start height(H), then the combined force of the stokes output by the business end of the lever should be enough to lift a weight to that same height(WH).

Any energy REQUIRED to SUSTAIN the pendulum swing must be output by the lever PRIOR to that added pendulum lift.

Ratchet a 1:1 pulley with equal weight and measure height.

I hate that it is all really that SIMPLE.

[SteinerP]

If the weight of the pendulum(W) must be lifted to a start height(H), then the combined force of the stokes output by the business end of the lever should be enough to lift a weight to that same height(WH).

Any energy REQUIRED to SUSTAIN the pendulum swing must be output by the lever PRIOR to that added pendulum lift.

Ratchet a 1:1 pulley with equal weight and measure height.

I hate that it is all really that SIMPLE.

The Question of Understanding and Patience

It is clear that there are new mechanical effects that are beyond common conceptions: you can see videos, opinions and expert analyses www.veljkomilkovic.com.
Nevertheless, all of this has to be worked on further to show the overunity effect more clearly.
There is a need for patient analyses beside the fact that the usability is obvious, both in theory and practice.