12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[Nabo00o]

you are totally wrong
it is not real work => it is equilibrium , there is no work , COP=0

Okey tagor (or whatever your name is), I don't want to be rude here, but if you don't get this then you should return to school (or use the free courses on mechanics which MIT hosts on youtube).

There is actually a reason to why it is heavy to lift a big weight. You are doing real work.
But for a human it is of course not so easy to return that energy from the height.
But for this machine that could have been possible, haven't it been for the fact that most of the kinetic energy inside the weight is used up when it strikes the ground at full speed.

Had Raymond placed a spring underneath the weight, or anything else which could store and conserve that energy input then yes, the figures from Jovan Marjanovic would really be false, but since that is not the case at all your assumption falls short of explaining the energy going in versus the energy going out.

Please, don't consider this a personal challenge of arguments, but consider the facts as they are and be true to yourself about them.

Julian 

[Nabo00o]

Anyway this is olds news for a lot of people.

When Raymond finally shows his video of a self-sustained oscillator, would you agree to it then?
Or would you just claim that he is cheating us all just to get popular or scam us for money?
That, at least, seems to be standard for a large amount of people, and it is not about evidence (it never were), it was about their state of mind, and how much they allow their view of the world to see.

Also after raymond gives us a peek at his machine we can move on to the next stage of this machine, which will eliminate the small parametric losses completely.

Julian

[Bulbz]

Anyway this is olds news for a lot of people.

When Raymond finally shows his video of a self-sustained oscillator, would you agree to it then?
Or would you just claim that he is cheating us all just to get popular or scam us for money?
That, at least, seems to be standard for a large amount of people, and it is not about evidence (it never were), it was about their state of mind, and how much they allow their view of the world to see.

Also after raymond gives us a peek at his machine we can move on to the next stage of this machine, which will eliminate the small parametric losses completely.

Julian

Hey Julian. Who exactly is Raymond, is he a member on this board ?. More to the point, have you got a link to any pages that show Raymond's work ?. I'm very interested in seeing it.

[Nabo00o]

Hey Julian. Who exactly is Raymond, is he a member on this board ?. More to the point, have you got a link to any pages that show Raymond's work ?. I'm very interested in seeing it.

He goes by the name Rhead100 on this forum, and he has built the largest 2-stage mechanical oscillator as far as I know of. At this time he has been working on the finishing of a large grandfather clock mechanism which will send back energy and most important, keep the timing right.

Here's a link to his youtube videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/RHEAD100

Julian

[Cloxxki]

tagor be honest here, when you lift an 80 pound weight up and then let it fall down again, you have done real work! I cannot understand how it could be otherwise. If he had collected the energy from the weight's height, by oscillating it back into the pendulum somehow and making it land slowly, yes then it would not have been real work, but as you can both see and hear, he let if fall straight down....

Are you arguing against this scenario or is there something else behind you accusations?

Julian

My current understanding:

If you break it up, 1 the lift and 2 the drop...
Does the lift require the subsequent drop? I think yes. Preventing it to drop will kill the oscillations in similar fashion to taking out energy from the lift.
If it's true 100% work being done on the lift, it should be possible to place the lightweight pendulum and 2nd stage "crane" next to a conveyor, and do the lift for seperate weights, setting them all on a higher shelf so to say.
The 2SO can do it for sure, but not after each pendulum swing, or hand-tap. It needs to be "charged" first. Energy being stored mostly in the vertical oscillation, I suppose.
And after the energy is all taken by putting a weight on a shelf, it's not all done yet. The mass of the next weight needs to be transferred to the 2nd stage before it can be charged back up. Perhaps trivial, but the way I see it, the while pendulum + fulcrum need to be lifted for that.

Raymond will hopefully be able to take off enough weight to be useful, yet not too much to unload the cross bar or upset the pendulum swing. That'd be awesome, but I'm not holding my breath.