12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[juan_86]

I must ask. Has anyone proved this concept?  I mean like in calculation and simulation, setup proper variable and take measurement like scientist does. Not to insult anyone, just want to know.

[markusbraunfe]

Hi,
we constructed several two stage oscillators by following the recommendations on the Milkovic page:
http://www.pendulum-lever.com/docs/Jovan_Marjanovic_Recommendations_for_Construction_and_Efficiency_Measuring.pdf
like using a lever relation of 3.5 : 1  , low vertical pivot displacement ( < 3-5%) , stiff beam, low friction bearings etc.

Currently our measurements do not show any overunity effect.

The best we achieved was perhaps an efficiency of around 90%.
We tested with several rod lengths ranging from 20cm to 1m weights 5-15kg.
We tried to keep the system simple and used two  ratchets with roller chains connected to the beam to extract the energy.
We made several tests by extracting the energy in both directions or only in one (downward or upward movement).
The energy extraction consisted in lifting a weight and measure the distance traveled vertically.
At the same time we measured the vertical height which the center of mass of the pendulum loses during each oscillation.

As soon as you extract energy from the system the pendulum loses energy and loses significant height after each oscillation.
We tried using large oscillation amplitudes (90 degrees) up to smaller (45 degrees).
And in any case the Efficiency was less than 100%, sometimes as bad as 50%.

Until we are missing something, we are less and less convinced that the double stage oscillator produces any overunity effect.
Unfortinately Milkovic did not do such measurements like lifting a weight with a ratchet.
He has some videos where he pumps water up, or lights up some flashlights but no measurement that proves that the system is overunity.

While we believe that there could be a possibility that the centrifugal force might produce free energy, perhaps the two stage oscillator has too low speed to clearly show the effect and it is very hard to tune the system and probably it is not practical to produce useful energy.
For example if you want to produce 3kW for your home and you have to build a pendulum which weighs several tons then it is not going to be a cheap energy source since the construction of such a large metallic structure would be expensive.

We are aware that i_ron measured a COP of 150% in his solenoid activated pendulum, but as far as we know he has not extracted the energy by using a ratchet or a generator but used the pendulum in hammer mode. And perhaps the hammer mode gives back much of the energy to the pendulum without doing "useful" work which could turn a generator or lift a weight.

We have some videos and data but we will not publish them yet because we want to perform more precise measurements.
But our hopes to discover OU with the two stage oscillator are not very big anymore.

Unless someone has the secret sauce and tells us how to tune the system by some magical "mechanical resonance" and other effects we cannot achieve.

Again, we are surprised that Milkovic and his team did not use a simple ratchet (for example a bicycle sprocket and a chain) and lifted a weight on the left side of the beam to measure how much the weight goes up during each oscillation and how much height the pendulum bob loses.
It does not require any machining or high tech equipement, but it is effective to measure the real energy that can be extracted.

We did not try to constantly push the pendulum because in theory at least at some amplitude the pendulum should be overunity in order to produce excess energy, otherwise it makes no sense to push the pendulum again. By constantly pushing it you just replenish the energy lost in the pendulum (vertical height).
We could try to push the pendulum by using a solenoid or some motorized lever and then measure the energy spent and compare it with the output work (weight lifted by the ratchet), but we believe it would probably lead to the same results.
Another test would be to let the pendulum do 360 degree rotation and extract the energy by the same method as I mentioned above.
Perhaps in this case the centrifugal force being much bigger would be more likely to show any overunity effect if there is one.
So far we are not aware of anyone having done measurements letting the pendulum rotate 360 degrees at costant speed.

We will keep you up to date as soon we will have more data from our measurements.

best regards,
Markus

[juan_86]

I try simulate with working model 2D and it show overunity clearly. Real model has a many loss. Can i see the lifting weight setup?

[markusbraunfe]

I try simulate with working model 2D and it show overunity clearly. Real model has a many loss. Can i see the lifting weight setup?

To juan_86 and others that try to "measure" the two stage oscillator by using 2D physics simulation software:

I think the approach is completely flawed, because those programs only act by the standard laws of physics (newton), so of course no overunity
effect will show up.

Moreover, we live in a real world where at least some small friction is always present. So in order to extract useful energy, the system must overcome
this friction. So the only way to demonstrate clearly whether there is a real, practical overunity effect, is to build a real model of the machine and measure the outcome.
I find it hilarious that so many people still use physics simulation software and try to demonstrate if some machines (gravity wheels, etc)  show an overunity effect.
Of course it is easier and cheaper (basically free) to simulate those machines by using simulation software rather than building the real model.
But in case of overunity machines, we are  outside the conventional physics domain, and unfortunately classical-physics simulation software will miserably fail.
So start build your models and measure the data. The nature will not lie. Often small models will suffice because many processes in nature are repeatable at a smaller scale. If there is a gravity wheel design that works, then probably it works regardless whether it is 20cm  or 10metres in diameter.
The forces will of course be bigger but the effect should be reproducible on small scales models too.

Of course there are some exceptions, for example critical mass for atomic reactions etc, but I don't believe that overunity devices that do use gravity, inertia or centrifugal forces do have this critical mass (or size) requirements.

[Merg]

Two stage mech osc 360. by gdez1000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc6VT2XPTuA

Helping the Free Energy Movement by MagnaMoRo
A response to the device built by gdez1000.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq6mXxEQJpc