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Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated

Started by gotoluc, March 23, 2018, 10:12:45 AM

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konehead

Hi Everyone
Why no backemf/recoil recovery steering diodes on each relay or H bridge switch???????
This energy is being totally disregarded and shoved into garbage can, like most electrical engineers with the proper schooling will do.

Again I mention Pierre said plain as day in Luc's video that the "coil return" (he calls it) is the secret!!!
Why not take what he points out as truth??

That backemf/recoil energy is very much stronger with mechanical switching since such low resistance to the switching....also note that you place steering diodes on the SWITCH, not really the inductor - the energy "comes" from the switch you could say.

So there is that point I want to make the other point maybe even more important (maybe not)

Lets say you shove that magnet wire up through slot 1 and down through slot 6....now you have created an electromagnets of that distance through the stator poles, N one end, S other for example....
So very simple.
Now what about all the winds in between 1 and 6?
They all become INDDUCED  PICKUP WINDS (sharing common core) and they will for sure make lots and lots of power especially all combined together too....
BUT will only "make" this power if you put DIODES on those winds and guide this energy into a cap bank for example where to put it (what Pierre does!)
No diodes, you will see nothing!
My personal perhaps warped opinion is that THIS is where the huge amount of energy produced in Pierres DZ generator comes from (my theory sorry)
Pulse one coil - induce 4 or 5 in
concsequence but it is not a consequence it is a reinforcement of energy created  and this energy fills up the cap  bank, keeps it looping with no more input, once you also pre0charge the cap bank.
ALSO
There is a "combination" (coherence as Ole will call it) of the induced pickup winds, and the backemf/recoil/flyback energy - this makes the caps fill up even faster....
Anyways in conclusion it looks like to me the diodes are being completely ignored in Pierre's build, and I will guess everyone is thinking the internal diodes in the H-bridges are doing this work, but actually they will not do shit (sorry) they are only there to be a protection mechanism, not a steering mechanism of this energy....
Try to pull out the backemf/recoil with any transistor or mosfet without some fast steering diodes guiding into caps....
Try tp put any emergy into caps with induced pickup winds that share common core with primary pulse??
All will be fruitless without the diodes into caps.



seaad

72 diodes connected Only to + and somewhere ?   (72 relays, 36 coils)

And middle connections without labels  35 empty 36 = one single point between two coils and two relays with TWO diodes in parallel ??
How are the diodes connected on the Arduino compared with Pierres connections?

gotoluc

Quote from: konehead on April 15, 2018, 09:31:27 PM
Hi Everyone
Why no backemf/recoil recovery steering diodes on each relay or H bridge switch? ??? ???
This energy is being totally disregarded and shoved into garbage can, like most electrical engineers with the proper schooling will do.

Again I mention Pierre said plain as day in Luc's video that the "coil return" (he calls it) is the secret!!!
Why not take what he points out as truth??

That backemf/recoil energy is very much stronger with mechanical switching since such low resistance to the switching....also note that you place steering diodes on the SWITCH, not really the inductor - the energy "comes" from the switch you could say.

So there is that point I want to make the other point maybe even more important (maybe not)

Lets say you shove that magnet wire up through slot 1 and down through slot 6....now you have created an electromagnets of that distance through the stator poles, N one end, S other for example....
So very simple.
Now what about all the winds in between 1 and 6?
They all become INDDUCED  PICKUP WINDS (sharing common core) and they will for sure make lots and lots of power especially all combined together too....
BUT will only "make" this power if you put DIODES on those winds and guide this energy into a cap bank for example where to put it (what Pierre does!)
No diodes, you will see nothing!
My personal perhaps warped opinion is that THIS is where the huge amount of energy produced in Pierres DZ generator comes from (my theory sorry)
Pulse one coil - induce 4 or 5 in
concsequence but it is not a consequence it is a reinforcement of energy created  and this energy fills up the cap  bank, keeps it looping with no more input, once you also pre0charge the cap bank.
ALSO
There is a "combination" (coherence as Ole will call it) of the induced pickup winds, and the backemf/recoil/flyback energy - this makes the caps fill up even faster....
Anyways in conclusion it looks like to me the diodes are being completely ignored in Pierre's build, and I will guess everyone is thinking the internal diodes in the H-bridges are doing this work, but actually they will not do shit (sorry) they are only there to be a protection mechanism, not a steering mechanism of this energy....
Try to pull out the backemf/recoil with any transistor or mosfet without some fast steering diodes guiding into caps....
Try tp put any emergy into caps with induced pickup winds that share common core with primary pulse??
All will be fruitless without the diodes into caps.

Hi konehead,

My test device collects all the coils return (inductive discharge) back into my 5 Farad super capacitor power rails.
You can see the current return from the current probe in this video which I made for programing but hasn't been shared yet.
The return may represent about 30% of the input power. However, my output coil sucks, maybe 1 or 2% of the input power.
We don't yet know of or understand all of Pierre's secrets.
Looking forward to seeing your test results and device.
Regards
Luc

Video Link: https://youtu.be/SSKH8qmb5VQ

gmolina

Hi Luc, in my understanding of this device, you need first magnetize the core and after them sustain this with much little requeriments of energy, for that reason the field can't be detroyed, because if you destroy the field destroy the core magnetization, in Pierre video when he connect power supply to the arduino, begin first one initial sequence (i suppose that is for the core magnetization) and after that the working sequence well knowed.

Regards,

GM

seaad

Quote from: gmolina on April 15, 2018, 11:53:08 PM
Hi Luc, in my understanding of this device, you need first magnetize the core and after them sustain this with much little requeriments of energy, for that reason the field can't be detroyed, because if you destroy the field destroy the core magnetization, in Pierre video when he connect power supply to the arduino, begin first one initial sequence (i suppose that is for the core magnetization) and after that the working sequence well knowed.
GM

" in Pierre video when he connect power supply to the arduino, begin first one initial sequence (i suppose that is for the core magnetization) and after that the working sequence well knowed.
"
I can confirm that. It's easy to see in slow mo.
Has that something to do with all Pierres diodes going to plus?

It is strange that Pierres digital voltmeter COMES ON and lits  BEFORE the main 5 Hz Arduino sequence starts ???
3:rd film 10.0 min.