Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated

[listener192]

Hi L192,
From the Hyun Chung patent application:The bold lines could sound like claiming overunity even though this isn't put in the claims. Of course it is a mixture of EMF and power so who knows what he meant?! Then in paragraph 16:
Coherent fields
In a coil it is clearly seen that the field is coherent as doubling the turns number quadruples the stored energy at the same current. Doubling the turns number quadruples the inductance of the coil. The energy stored in an inductor is (1/2)LI². Thus quadrupling the inductance L at the same current I quadruples the stored energy.

If on the other hand the turns number is doubled by just putting two similar coils in series without having their magnetic fields share the same space in the same direction the inductance is just added up (doubled). Thus the stored energy is also only doubled.
The trick is to input the energy as separate waves and then mix the waves into a single coherent wave before extracting the energy. Several free energy devices looks like using this principle which W.B. Smith calls 'The Principle of Inversion.'

Energy in an inductor: https://wiki2.org/en/Inductor#Stored_energy
Inductance formulas: https://wiki2.org/en/Inductor#Inductance_formulas

Regards
Ole

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A B-field is proportional to a coil current. When you detect it with another coil, the captured flux is proportional to the B-field and the generated EMF is proportional to dflux/dt. There is no squaring action so flux just adds up. If you were talking about force, then yes, force is proportional to B*I, so that will leave you with an I squared (I*I). This is actually what is used in reluctance motors. I note an I squared (not a B squared)[/size]

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[konehead]

The last paragraph is speaking of "detection" of one coil with another and then the "cspturing"  of  the  field
Detecting then capturing is not.creating coherence as far as i dont know

[Belfior]

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A B-field is proportional to a coil current. When you detect it with another coil, the captured flux is proportional to the B-field and the generated EMF is proportional to dflux/dt. There is no squaring action so flux just adds up. If you were talking about force, then yes, force is proportional to B*I, so that will leave you with an I squared (I*I). This is actually what is used in reluctance motors. I note an I squared (not a B squared)[/size]

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Chung is careful on his wording not to say over unity. What he is saying is "self looped without external energy after the initial start-up"

[gotoluc]

Hi Gotoluc,


Jerdee indicates he has the missing component, so have you tried adding that yet?


Regards


L192

Hi L192,
I first wanted to test the device (as is) so that we have a baseline and know what it can do. Hopefully everyone is satisfied with my tests and are convinced the device is not capable of anything special without a variation or modification of some kind, other then adding more turns to the fixed rotor.

We have now tried the variation Jerdee was quite convinced was the missing component, However, it has not assisted the output as he hopped.

We are reviewing Pierre's newest hints and today Jerdee is writing several program variation to observe some finer differences. I will post videos of the tests once I have them. One of the tests will be looking at full H-Bridge AC output which we already know from the previous L298M tests helps the output.   

With Pierre new hint of coil isolation we are considering the extra set of 36 diodes and relays may be used full AC input?... can you please have a look at that possibility and let us know what you think.

I'm interested in testing bucking coils and a momentary shut off of one field side to create a dis-balance.  So as you can see we still many option variations to test and peoples suggestions are also welcomed since it looks like I may be the only one with a device that can be tested without switching issues.

Regards
Luc

[listener192]

Hi Gotoluc ,


With the relays ,I was running line ripple into the coils but with the bridge boards you can't separate supply and recovery, so that won't be possible. In fact you will only be able to make current reversals with the bridge switches. You could try changing the polarity on line 6 in the sequence. This will provide a large step change and half the clock rate for a given output frequency.


My rotor coils likely had over 1000T hence the high voltages I measured. They were the original generator rotor coils.


Regards


L192