Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated

[seaad]

pmgr
https://overunity.com/17609/170-watts-in-1600-watts-out-looped-very-impressive-build-and-video/msg517648/#msg517648

[pedro1]

Hi all
From my experience rotating permanent magnets sweeping past  coils show very strong magnetic force at the leading edge ( front) and at the magnets trailing edge ( back)
This is where the power is ....at the edges of the magnet.
Also there is no power produced at all if the coil does not have resistive load....and now Lenz law appears too, and it now might take 8 or 10 times more power to be rotating the magnet past than what the coil produces in power...depends on the resistive load a lot. And Airgap and magnet strength size and speed of rotation decide how bad Lenz law braking effect will be.
One way to prevent Lenz law is don't apply direct resistive load to coils instead fill caps-only then have 2nd stage where only caps hit the load for power. Cap size and resistance of load important plus frequency and speed of filling and discharging caps is important
Another way to prevent Lenz law is to not rotate the permanent magnets but rotate a field of electromagnets which is the dz generator more or less.
Hope.some.of this helps a little bit in thinking DZ generator how it works how to simulate sweeping permanent magnets electronically.
One other thing it is possible to chop narrow pulses of the generator coils and fill caps at sinewave peaks
....why fill caps at sinewave decension period... caps will not fill up anymore than what is at peak...
Also the coil can be briefly shorted at peak with fwbr ac side across coil and  the dc side of fwbr filling caps....now caps fill much faster and will go x20 or x50 more voltage
...release caps to load by themselves in two stage type output

Bravo konehead tu a vue juste tout est la il suffit seulement de répliquer ce que tu mentionne  et ce n'est pas si évident à faire mais c'est fesable  la preuve est mon premier prototype qui a fonctionner momentanément avant de bruler plusieur relais mais il a fonctionner il suffit de répliquer ce que tu mentionne de façon plus efficace que le premier dz et surtout de façon à ce qu'il puisse résister à long terme et Bingo le tour va être jouer après cela le plus dure va arriver c'est à dire de se battre avec les multinational et les gouvernement qui n'aimerons vraiment pas la perspective de perdre le monopole de l'énergie vous savez sans doute que l'économie mondial est baser sur l'énergie alors j'ai un peut peure de voir les conséquence que cela peut  engendrée mais je sait que une telle invention pourras aussi avoir de bon côté élimination de la pollution, central nucléaire, automobile ,du courant pour chaque maison ,aérospatial etc en fait seul l'avenir nous dira ce qui attend le dz générateur.                                                    Pierre c.

En. Congratulations konehead, you've just visualized everything!  only need to replicate what you mention and it's not so easy to do but it's doable.  The proof is my first prototype that ran momentarily before burning several relays but it to worked.  Just replicate what you mention in a more efficient way than my first dz. Especially so that it can withstand long run times and Bingo you'll have it.  After that, the hardest thing that will happen is to fight the multinationals and governments who really won't  like the prospective of losing the energy monopoly.  You probably know that the global economy is based on energy.  So I fear a little in seeing the consequences this can create but I know that such an invention has a good side, like eliminating pollution, electric nuclear reactors, petrol cars, the electrical grid, wind generators etc.  In fact, only the future will tell what awaits the DZ generator.        Pierre c.

[Dog-One]

Doug,

How many people here recognize the significance of connecting a loaded full-wave bridge rectifier to an energized (magnetically induced) coil?

When you do this, you change the inductance, but not at the frequency subjected to the inductor, instead at twice the frequency.  And not only that particular inductor, but the ones in proximity to it too.  Mean anything yet?

If not, study parametric resonance.

Then look at some examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgZNd8JA5dQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j860XSP2fU

There be diodes in them there hills...

[pmgr]

Doug,

How many people here recognize the significance of connecting a loaded full-wave bridge rectifier to an energized (magnetically induced) coil?

When you do this, you change the inductance, but not at the frequency subjected to the inductor, instead at twice the frequency.  And not only that particular inductor, but the ones in proximity to it too.  Mean anything yet?

If not, study parametric resonance.

Then look at some examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgZNd8JA5dQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j860XSP2fU

There be diodes in them there hills...

Dog-One,

I am well aware of parametric oscillation. You can look at some of my older posts a few years back. In this particular thread I have mentioned many times that inductance is governed by d(LI)/dt (and not by LdI/dt) and that a power source can be obtained when the inductance L is varied over time.

Why don't you explain how the diodes play into this setup (of course besides the well-known fact that a FWB generates a half wave with double the frequency after rectification with the FWB, assuming no cap).

PmgR

[Dog-One]

pmgr,

You're probably the one that first turned me on to Dr. Butikov's work.  So I did some testing and yes, there's power gain to be had using his mechanism.  Not sure yet it's exponential gain per cycle, but certainly enough to cover losses if implemented properly.  I have more testing still yet to do, but what I've learned so far is that you can indeed fight active switching until you arrive at something pretty sophisticated as Paul Babcock has done, or do things another way, a more simple way, like using a FWBR.  Let it do the critical timing needed for parametric resonance while you focus on setting up the correct base resonance.

What it all boils down to is this:  There may be more than one way to achieve OverUnity, but whatever solution one picks, adding parametric resonance to the design is bound to be beneficial; maybe even compulsory.  So we need to look at how this phenomena can be implemented or how it can be manifested in this particular DZ Gen.

What I'm seeing with the DZ Gen are conditions where multiple coils are active and these coils are in close proximity while being active.  Every coil has some self resonant frequency due to the factor it's more than a pure inductor, it has internal capacitance as well.  What this means is every coil is a self contained LC tank circuit or resonator.  What we know about first order parametric resonance is that a change in inductance at peak amplitude followed by a restoring change back to normal at the zero crossing, twice per cycle, it going to setup the conditions where an amplitude gain is possible.  In the DZ Gen we are by design trying to push/pull a magnetic field around a series of coils in a loop with the goal of simulating a rotating magnetic field.   But something else is going on here we aren't paying close attention to.  These coils are resonators.  Yes, we are using relatively low frequencies for switching them on and off, but each coil clearly rings when we open the switch that energized it.  The scope-shots are all through this thread to prove it.  So then we try to capture this "recovery" energy and recirculate it.  And how do we do that?  We rectify it.  In the process of rectifying this switch-open recovery we do something else, most are completely unaware of.  We induce a harmonic back into the coil.  This harmonic just happens to be the exact harmonic necessary for setting up the conditions for parametric resonance, or I should say, it can be.

Suppose when we switch off, we actually switch over to a FWBR whose output is shorted.  This would create the maximum effect of changing the coil's inductance inline with the parametric conditions.  We don't have to do this though.  We have some choices here.  We can connect the output of the FWBR to the power rail or to a resistor, but when we do this, we create a phase change in the harmonic we induce back into the coil.  This video will describe what I mean.  This phase change can be all over the map; in fact it can be exactly backwards of what is needed for a parametric resonance gain, making it an actual loss in the system.  Yes, you an do this, you can use parametric dampening to suck energy right out of the system.  So what we need to do is find the proper component to connect to the FWBR, so that the phase is exactly as needed to obtain the full capability of parametric resonance and get the most gain from the coils as possible while we switch them around the stator core.  We also need to capture any gains we can get and keep them in the system, either by directly strengthening the magnetic field, or by strengthening the energy available in the power rail so that it can be switched back into the system.  It's these gains we use to power the load.  Within the system itself we want consumption, because the gains are proportional to the energy being pushed around within the system--the more energy sloshing around, the higher the gains.

Unfortunately, I don't have a working system to demonstrate, so it's likely many of my words will blow away in the wind.  What I do have is a direction and some supported mechanisms to get there.  Hopefully soon I'll have some techniques figured out that will guide one to the solution.  In the meantime, everyone keep up the great work and if something begins to look too complex, build a small test case on your bench and poke at it until you understand it.  Then you can move on to bigger and better things.