Kapanadze and other FE discussion

[stivep]

I have seen, Kapanadze appeared to use only one earth ground connection (at a time).
Do you agree that he only used one earth ground connection?

In presentation made for me Tariel used only one ground wire.


In the picture from my last post Romancorp  used two grounds one was the ground
connected to heating system  pipe feeding cast iron radiator.
the second  ground was neutral wire from  the outlet.

But in my posts in regards to capacitive coupling and antenna theory.
-So  antenna  at 10th floor of the building uses counterpoise or  balancing mechanism  for the antenna to work.
-So the antenna of the car radio  uses metal body of the car as counterbalance.
-So  the  your  cellphone walkie- talkie ( hand-held, portable, two-way radio transceiver.) uses human body as counterbalance.
at the time when your cellphone is on the table  far  from your body . the microprocessor of your fractal antenna  in side  makes SWR balancing with earth.

However  early versions of  cellphones did not use such   microprocessors and that is why they have had antennas.
Mismatching of impedance  from output  of TX often made  High End- (the RF amplifier)  to burn.
That is why  these devices  where  bulky . Due to that fact Wireless Cell Network was at that time designed to have 1 mile radius and not more than 1W output form cellphone RF transistor to an antenna.
That made Cellphones to be smaller but still heavy.( at that time)

Matching impedance  of an antenna to expected 50 Ohm ( standard)  output  of TX  by means of capacitive adjustable coupling with  counterbalance  ( ground)
is always done by LC circuitry.-where C and cpacitive reactance is leading.
Negative  effect of  this is that  if you look at Smith Chart you dealing with circuit  showing leading Capacitive Reactance means High  Voltage , low current

Summary:
In regards to Loads. Please  first  read
power factor correction capacitors :
http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_lagging_power_factor_and_leading_power_factor
In Kapanadze or any other later designs  ELECTRICAL CIRCUIT MUST BE CLOSED LOOP.
You can employ any possible means or technique but  the system will only work if that condition is present.

If you look at  waveguide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide
it does not differ from natural waveguide of the earth and ionosphere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%E2%80%93ionosphere_waveguide
Most of the things were made buy nature and we only  repeated it into the scale of our comfort.

By that  you may see physical one ground  only ,and that is what gives you  the headache.

Wesley

[stivep]

Wesley,
Please explain how antenna theory relates to Kapanadze's devices?

Antenna theory explains balancing and grounding system.
antenna must have ground  to be able to work.

The structure of antenna and Transmitter must have ground.
But in practice your  receptors do not see the  ground.
So where is the ground?

By that  we may ask  where is the second ground in Tariel device?
But that is actually very good for us- the people  assuming that  Tariel Device works.
Artificial ground
https://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/2118


Wesley

[Void]

In presentation made for me Tariel used only one ground wire.

In the picture from my last post Romancorp  used two grounds one was the ground
connected to heating system  pipe feeding cast iron radiator.
the second  ground was neutral wire from  the outlet.
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Hi Wesley. I think that the Romancorp guy has made some interesting experiments, but I don't
know that he has ever showed anything that looks like it might be a self-runner. Have you seen
a video of his that shows what looks like it might be a self-running setup? I have only watched a
few of his videos in the past. Hard for westerners to follow since he is speaking Russian.

BTW Wesley. You seem to be assuming that everyone in these forums has little or no knowledge of physics or
electronics and radio/antenna theory etc. Hoppy is trained in electronics I believe and he has many
years of experience at the bench from what I understand, and I am also formerly trained in electronics and
electrical engineering, although I have made my actual living in another area for the past many years.

I understand well about capacitors and inductors and AC circuit theory, including power factor and power factor correction, 
and have even learned to create and use Smith charts a long time ago (I don't remember so much about them specifically any more),
and I have a fair bit of experience experimenting with different types of antenna setups in the past as well.

It is because of that knowledge and experience that I am inclined to think that using conventional analysis of these sort of setups
may only take you so far before you run into a wall, and may even lead you astray if you try to hold to that approach too rigidly.
Something seems to be going on in these setups which appears to defy conventional analysis, although I do
leave the door open that maybe there is a way to explain the operation of these setups with current understanding
and analysis approaches. 

Frank Prentice tried to explain how his setup was producing a COP >1 by hypothesizing about his
setup resonating on a similar frequency as telluric currents, as I think for patent applications you have
to give some indication that you understand what makes your 'invention' work, but some of Frank Prentice's
other comments in his patent doc indicate that the frequency he needed to tune to was very dependent
on the height of his long wire above the ground. There was not one specific frequency that made it produce
a COP > 1. For this reason I think he was probably just guessing, offering an 'explanation' that seemed to
make sense from a conventional understanding point of view.

This is how I see things anyway.

[apecore]

The natural tendency is for people to try to analyze and explain these setups using a conventional understanding of DC and
AC circuits and radio and EM wave theory, etc, but the problem with that approach is that conventional analysis seemingly has no way to
explain how these setups can produce a COP > 1. This of course leads many people trained in science and engineering to assume that all people
making claims of COP > 1 with electrical or mechanical devices along these lines must either be frauds or nut cases. However, when I look
at cases like Frank Prentice and even Kapanadze, I have to say that there could possibly really be something going on in some cases
with these type of setups that defies conventional analysis and understanding. This is why I say it is probably better to
make no definite assumptions about how it might be producing a COP > 1, because conventional analysis of these setups may well just
lead you further down the garden path. What is really going on may be something that is just not understood yet, or maybe only
just hypothesized about in some scientific circles. That's how I see it anyway.

Void, Hoppy and Wesley,

You may hit the nail on his head.
If it is indeed a convential engineered setup ... probably many many related types of setups would be working for many years already.
The big secret is far from conventional electronics.... just think about Tesla's or Prentice background knowledge before they start discovering and testing.
There was no conventional knowledge as we have now.......
Difficulty is not to think in modern electronics ....on the other hand people without electronic background these days won' t start testing with these kind of setups.
So all stays uncovered.....(are we not all being trolled..... from the start we went to high school?)

We all think in resonance ....LC..... but never in earth_resonance....Tesla did...and Prentice also.
Maybe we only need to focuss on the phenomenom as Tesla did and what he or Prentice drove forward to there discovery?

Unfortunatel i did not finished my electric engineering....but maybe this will not constrain me thinking in different area.
But nevertheless we still need electronics... so you guys are still needed here.... its only the way we configure... hook_up and tune our devices have to be different.

Question...where they able to work into the Mhz region those days in 1920?
Is it for that they used longer wires because the frequency was the bottleneck?

Greetings

[AlienGrey]

OK lets consider a Tesla coil, it probably has a L1 Primary of 800 turns, perhaps a 1Mhry inductance, but lets look at the L2 coil 2 or 3 Turns
perhaps .4uh inductance where we pulse it has any one made any experioments trying to tune the thing for optimum performance,
had any results ?

AG