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Four rod magnets and two one way bearings = free energy???

Started by magnetman12003, May 06, 2019, 08:18:28 PM

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magnetman12003

This is a photo of what I was talking about in the previous links.

magnetman12003


This is a photo of what I was talking about in the previous links.

If the two arms are squeezed together and the squeeze is released the top arm will stay put as it can't move counter clockwise.  But if both arms are bound together in a squeezed condition the bottom arm will DRAG the top arm along with it clockwise all the time.  That's what I am working on right now. See previous links.

gyulasun

Quote from: magnetman12003 on May 09, 2019, 03:13:28 PM
... But if both arms are bound together in a squeezed condition the bottom arm will DRAG the top arm along with it clockwise all the time. 
...
Hi magnetman,

Unfortunately what you wrote (and I put in bold above) will not happen all the time but only once.

Your Step 1 is okay: you squeeze the top arm clockwise towards bottom arm, repel force develops between the two arms.

When now you let out the arms from the squeeze in Step 2, the bottom arm will move clockwise of course but the top arm remains stopped at the position your left it when you squeezed and released it (this is okay). 
The bottom arm however, will be able to move clockwise till it experiences the repel force from the other magnet at the other side of the stationary top arm and bumps and will toss a little on the other magnet fixed to top arm and in return the top magnet on the earlier squeezed top arm side will toss yet a little on the bottom arm again and so on till both arms stop   OR 

now your Step 3 would come where you introduced the binding between the two arms and you expect the moving bottom arm will drag top arm with it all around if I understood you correctly.

Unfortunately, in this bound_together situation both arms will stop soon: in the first moment just after you released the squeeze, the bottom arm will give a strong pull forth to the top arm and they both will move together clockwise for a certain time and they will both stop.  Why stop?
Because the repel force exists between the two arms only (it is like a bended bow) and there is no any tangential force remaining from the shaft point of view.  The first initial pull force gradually dies out as they both move together clockwise.
The tangential force that caused the clockwise move existed only for the moment the strong pull force of the bottom arm exerted on the top arm and this force dragged both arms clockwise till friction and small air drag stop the movement.
OF course, the repel forces will still exist between the two bound_together arms. 
You would need to supply again a squeezing force for the top arm to initiate another movement.

Gyula

magnetman12003

What if a non ferrous spring was placed between both arms that would allow the bottom arm to rotate clockwise while the top arm waited in place until the spring stretched out.  Then the top arm would follow the bottom arm once more until it got close (squeezed)  and the whole procedure would start over again? The squeeze would be repetitive then.

gyulasun

A spring can store and release energy of course but it needs input energy first. Once the spring has used up its stored energy you would need to 'recharge' it, it would again need an 'input' force. 
In your setup however, the 'recharge' force can only come from the repel force between the magnets on the two arms (after an initial start-up) because there is no other force available to 'recharge' the spring. 
The spring may postpone the full stop time, that is what I think it would do and then the arms would stop moving.   

Have you managed to build a setup to study the behaviour? or you may wait for the one way bearings. 

Gyula