Magnet motor idea hopefully solved

[vineet_kiran]

Insert a steel plate in the gap and see if it still cogs.  Steel plate provides a smooth passage for the flux.

[Low-Q]

Insert a steel plate in the gap and see if it still cogs.  Steel plate provides a smooth passage for the flux.

It's not the magnetism that cogs, but the chain got more tension when the flat surface on each link rounds the pulleys. So the cogging is mechanical, not magnetic.
What I say is, if I replaced the magnets with something else, it would still cog.


A larger pulley will reduce this problem quite much.


Vidar

[T-1000]

Hi there,

As magnetic cogging was mentioned.. It is always same no matter what shape/additional magnet movements people are making.
The thing is, not much people are attacking problem root cause which is opposing force created in first place. In mother Nature this is solved really simply with 3rd force opposing 2nd force so the original force move freely.

As an practical idea, you can even take V-Gate magnet motor and add simple mod to it:
1) While magnets moving have little generator coil charging capacitor.
2) Then have coil next to magnets on stator on position where cogging occurs.
3) At the moment magnet rotor approach to cogging position disconnect capacitor then discharge into 2) coil and neutralise opposing force from the stator which is causing this.


As the result of that the initial rotationary force should go free.


Happy experimenting everyone!

[Raycathode]

Insert a steel plate in the gap and see if it still cogs.  Steel plate provides a smooth passage for the flux.

Steel, iron would be better, but then what is Mu=Metal for?

Or perhaps counter magnetic influence like gravity and electromagnetic coil would be better still!

Raymondo

[Low-Q]

Just to remind you: The cogging in this experiment is not magnetic. It is mechanical. Each link have a flat/straight surface, and the fulcrum on eacn is placed on each side. When the links gets to a certain angle (some degrees rotation), the fulcrums for each link around the pulleys are not longer at constant distance to eachother, but wants to be slightly longer when it cannot. This will force the chain to get more tense. This difference in tension will repeat when each link pass through that point. This is why the cogging is there. The magnets themself are relatively good spaced from eachother, and not particulary strong, so the cogging is not magnetic.

I have finished 6 of the new larger pulleys. The next six pulleys will have a gear on them with the same diameter, so I got 1:1 gear ratio instead of 2:1 and 1/2 diameter of the smaller pulleys.
Also the gears will be 4 times larger than before since the pulleys are twice as large, and the gears have the same diameter as the pulleys. That means better grip, much less friction, and easier to examine the inner workings of the "motor".

Remember, I build this thing first and foremost to examine how this will work. The laws of thermodynamics is still boiling at high temperature back in my head. So I have no expectation that this invention will work as a free energy motor. But ofcourse, it would be awesome if it actually works... I have no plan B, so if it works, I don't know what to do, except share my findings as open source so anyone can build one. This thread is open to anyone, so I cant patent it anyways.

Vidar