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RANT CAFFE ASYLUM

Started by WhatIsIt, September 06, 2020, 10:09:59 PM

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partzman

Quote from: onepower on September 11, 2020, 08:47:52 PM
partzman
All over the place is a polite term. In fact if the ground is floating or at lower voltages cross coupled or making a series connection within the circuit it means little if nothing. First, we need to know exactly what it is were measuring, then determining were measuring it correctly and then verifying the measure is correct. It's not as simple as many think it is and if HF or HV are involved it gets that much harder to determine what's actually happening.

Regards

Onepower,

Having given it more thought and reflecting on the circuit operation from my end, Chris is probably using a LAB for the supply although he shows a power supply and a battery operated sig gen.  If so, then he could have an earth ground from his scope as shown.  The circuit should operate the same no matter where the ground reference is located assuming there is no electron injection from earth ground, etc.

So, in my test the operating frequency was ~1kHz which just placed the inductors in what is normally called a discontinuous mode.  If operated higher, the currents become continuous and there will be steps in the current waveforms lowering efficiency even more.  At this frequency, one inductor has fully charged the 100ufd cap and has little current and the other has a triangular current waveform.  These are not the waveforms Chris shows.

However, Chris operates at ~82Hz which could possibly mean that the given lamp load has the ability to somewhat discharge the 1000ufd cap to the point that both coils now participate in the cap charging which I think will produce the waveforms Chris shows.  I will try this later today.

The question remains if the circuit is OU although he didn't really make this claim AFAIK.  The only possible gain mechanism for this device IMO would be the so called leakage inductance between the coils but this is questionable.

Many here may not be aware (although a few are) that the technology Chris has demonstrated all this time is not really his but was given to him by one Dr. A_____ who shall go un-named out of respect for his privacy.

Regards,
Pm


onepower

partzman
QuoteHaving given it more thought and reflecting on the circuit operation from my end, Chris is probably using a LAB for the supply although he shows a power supply and a battery operated sig gen.  If so, then he could have an earth ground from his scope as shown.  The circuit should operate the same no matter where the ground reference is located assuming there is no electron injection from earth ground, etc.

From experience I have found things are not always as they seem. The other day I was working on some of my HV datalogging microcomputer circuits where I am measuring +/- potential, voltage and current of a DC source fluctuating from zero to well over 30kV. My reoccurring problem was that an open circuit induced high potential is not solely dependent on a proper Earth ground as many believe. It follows known laws with respect to charge density, polarity and parasitic capacitance thus any given leg of any circuit can have any potential difference across it skewing our measurements.

As it were, I found it impossible to accurately measure both voltage and current with one circuit and I had to build two distinct opto-isolated circuits in order to get accurate measurements. My first indication was a floating voltage of some 10kV on one current sensing leg designed to only measure current using an isolation transformer/opto-isolator. However the induced potential in that leg jumped over the transformer, bypassed my 6000v opto-isolator, traveled up one sensor leg and gave me a consistently false reading.

I should also point out I am measuring the point potential, voltage and current on a very large moving piece of equipment worth over $600k where the only true ground consists of a ground strap. Everything else is floating, discontinuous and generated at multiple points which is basically the worst case scenario few can seem to wrap there mind around hence the reason they called me in. Now imagine your in a room with possibly hundreds of AC or DC HV generators, all interacting with one another and you want to measure the point source and sum of the generated voltages and current... that's what I'm doing at the moment.

As you can imagine the systems shown here seem trivial by comparison. With these relatively low voltage systems with transient effects people are demonstrating I would suggest using an isolation transformer/opto-isolator or a well insulated hall effect sensor for current measurement. Well insulated opto-isolation on the voltage measurement end would also help reduce transient effects. Of course, all of this also has to be calibrated to the ranges of the measurements expected which is hard enough in itself.

Regards

partzman

Quote from Chris on his moderated thread-

QuoteP.S: I see Partzman's thread: partzmans board ATL is now a private thread - Interesting indeed!

While here, trying to pick holes in others work, he hides his own!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

Yes that is correct and it is no different than your own "private" area on your forum.  I don't "pick" holes in others work, I try to offer subjective info for those who appear to need it IMO and they can choose to use it or not.

I'm also challenging your work and claims that you have made through the years so you will either have to 'put up' or 'shut up'!

Pm



partzman

Chris,

I have built and tested both your recent 2 coil and past 3 coil devices and I see no OU!  All the demeaning insults and innuendoes does not change that fact as far as I'm concerned.  You provide no proof of your OU claims in the form of valid measurements for all to see plus, you provide no proof of self-running devices as you also claim!

CONCLUSION- You have nothing!!!!

So why all the noise???

Pm

onepower

partzman
QuoteI have built and tested both your recent 2 coil and past 3 coil devices and I see no OU!  All the demeaning insults and innuendoes does not change that fact as far as I'm concerned.  You provide no proof of your OU claims in the form of valid measurements for all to see plus, you provide no proof of self-running devices as you also claim!
CONCLUSION- You have nothing!!!!
So why all the noise???

Unfortunately this is the new normal since donny trump and many other populist leaders got elected.

Now many of there followers are starting to gaslight others using the same methods and language. Gaslighting uses the following psychology...

1) Belittling and dehumanizing any critics.
This is used to portray others as weak or inferior and deflect away from there own weakness or ignorance on any given subject. The term is called "projection" and they accuse others of the things they believe themselves to be to avoid there own insecurities. The fallacy is "tu quoque"or having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser, answering criticism with criticism.

2) Taking everything out of context and twisting the facts.
Donny trump is continually saying something stupid or false, denies he said it, then admits he may have said it but it wasn't what others thought, lol. The  fallacy is the "strawman" or misrepresenting someone's argument to make it easier to attack. As well as "moving the goal posts" and when caught in a lie they simply change the context of the lie.

3)Continuously repeating blatant lies then doubling down on them.
They are generally always lying but the lie is fluid and always changing to make others keep defending themselves instead of calling out the original lie. They tell one lie then cover it with another doubling down in many layers of lies until it becomes so confusing most just give up. It is basically a strategy of sheer repetition repeating the lie over and over and then changing the lie to overwhelm there critics.

Which begs the question... how do we win?.

Well we don't win, we can't win because were basically dealing with irrational and mentally unstable people. They will never back down or change there mind and the only course of action is to walk away or remove them from our lives. The thing to remember is that these people get off on victimizing others while claiming to be the victim. There drug of choice is to project and manipulate and if we deprive them of that they have no power over us.

I think it's kind of comical and I had many people, more so business people try and pull this bullshit on me in the past. I simply tell them to piss off now that I understand what there doing because there wasting my time and time has value. So yes, noise, lies and attention is there oxygen and if we cut that off they generally just go away and try harass someone else which is the best case scenario in my opinion.

Regards