RANT CAFFE ASYLUM

[ramset]

Sir I never posted Captainloz work to cause turmoil or confusion, any link I copied from forum here was just for use as a generic link to https://www.youtube.com/user/Captainloz/videos
   I was surprised somebody was finally allowed to share... an incredibly simple... solid state... replication here [Never happened EVER here ...not one replication with all info for others to join in never even on original topic over the 5-6 years time  period ]this is benchmark moment !
twice the output over input is truly a miracle !!
I hope he is allowed to share further ...and perhaps get away from support equipment and Scopes.. since now the output is HUGE
many ways to check this ...and surely run completely autonomously ...[no batteries or power supplies etc etc.

we need more allowed to share all details for replications..the world needs a breakthru...
I see Aarons forum is posting some Glass Box Bedini thing now...[I suppose I will mirror a topic here for such simple builds to see where gain is...


makes me ill actually that such "SIMPLE" things are not just data dumped [open sourced] for all to build...so many need this now more than ever... [Bedini since 1984 ]

check world famine site...most posting here are not even listed [Countries ]...Also Chris uses the word "girl" as insult here [makes me ill ]
woman {and their children} globally are suffering in Famine conditions now more than ever...AND GROWING WORSE EVERY SECOND !!
we need better men to step forward ...enuff TAUNTING Children... playing games while world suffers...Posting funny pictures and Finger pointing ...while laughing and posting party Pics  and joke pics of starving children of color...calling the suffering and struggling ...DUMB and much worse...as well persons here who are unable to replicate..
GROTESQUE
Not just one mans opinion
Chet K

[v8karlo]

Measurements

[v8karlo]

V8karlo
I use two supercap banks I made rated at 5 Farads /24 working volts, 30 volt max. So I know the exact input versus output with a simple calculation U=1/2CV^2. It's also easy to loop the output cap back to the input cap with a high efficiency buck converter.

So it's actually very easy to loop a circuit and I gave up on trying to use my DSO to measure complex HF waveforms years ago. It's basically a waste of time in my opinion.

Think of it this way, you could spend weeks using all kinds of expensive equipment trying to analyze input vs output. Or use two cap banks or a loop and know in minutes. So why dork around when we can know for sure in a matter of minutes?.

Regards

Just as you, I found that best way to avoid mess is to loop,
no better way.


You can see emidiatelly everything.


Agree!

[v8karlo]

V8karlo,

What started this mess was a simple comment about two incandescent lamps.

Someone (EMJ or Ramset) posted a link to CaptainLoz's video #5 on the POC thread.  Having watched the video, I posted a comment on the non-moderated POC thread suggesting it was very unlikely that the two incandescent lamps being used as a load in video 5 at around 7:30 were dissipating what the scope was reading or even what the power supply readouts indicated.

I suggested connecting the lamps directly to the supply and driving them to similar brightness to see what the lamps draw, as a way to confirm measurements.

EMJ, as usual, became very defensive and argumentative and after several of posts back and forth riddled with his typical insults and trying to convince me the lamps were indeed somehow dissipating the indicated wattage, he deleted my posts. (I thought that thread was not moderated, what gives?)

In any case, shortly thereafter there was some admission of error regarding a bad probe used during that video.

So, from a simple suggestion that the lamps be connected directly to the DC supply to see what they draw at similar brightness, we have had page after page of argumentative discussion trying to bolster overunity claims with all manner of assumptions regarding the incandescent lamps, the LED bulb, the scope readings, and of course, insults and deletions. 

All that from suggesting the lamps were not dissipating the indicated wattage and that they should be connected directly to the supply for verification.

Perhaps were it CaptainLoz's thread he would have responded differently to the suggestion.  Perhaps CaptainLoz as well might have wondered if it were even possible for the lamps to dissipate that much power and connected the lamps to the supply to see what they draw.

But, it was EMJ's thread and EMJ's POC "technology", and it is EMJ that gets all defensive and insulting when anyone questions his claims of "overunity". 

I believe the advent of low cost digital scopes has led some OU researchers to inadvertently focus on connecting and tuning their circuits to cause the scope to erroneously indicate OU, which is relatively easy, and not focus on alternative measurement methods to confirm the power going to the load. 

Building a differential thermal or optical wattmeter is not that terribly difficult and could be given consideration, but there are even simpler methods within the reach of most. 

In the past we have seen lamps used as loads and low cost lux meters used to verify a circuit's output by driving the lamps to similar brightness with a DC supply as indicated by the lux meter.  If the lamp and lux meter are housed and located under fixed conditions when driven by either the circuit under test or the DC supply, a fair degree of accuracy should be achievable.  Something similar could be achieved using thermometry as well.

PW

What you are saying should be practice always.


First connect lamps directly to regulated supply,
then measure circuit and compare those two.


It is logical and beyond any doubt!

[v8karlo]

And for those who want to avoid simple things,

here are methods of measurements with all pitfalls,

which can, and probably will occur at some point.



Courtesy of Dr. AG.