free energy via electronic means

[hartiberlin]

@All,
it seems from the picture from Terry:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1864.msg21145.html#msg21145

that the crossing of the Plus and Minus poles of the inverter and
the charger is very important.

I had another look at it and
indeed this could have a decoupling and low pass filter effect.

You need to pulse the batteries, so the "dipole stays okay and is
not getting destroyed", ( if we trust Tom Bearden?s words here).

It seems the charger and the inverter should not be connected
directly at the same battery contacts together, so we have
the connection wires of the  5 batteries between them.
This works as a lowpassfilter, so the inverter just gets
a constant voltage input, when then battery charger still pulses
the batteries at the other side with higher than 12 Volt pulses..
The connection from battery to battery work as small coils and
the batteries themself work as capacitors, so we have  5 LC
lowpassfilters in series, which makes the voltage at the other end
smooth and constant.

The special crossing of the Plus and Minus then could have an additional
positive effect, that still discouples the inverter and charger some more
and keeps the batteries oscillating a bit more, so they can better
chargeup...

So
@Wattsup, you also did not do it exactly in your picture
as Terry has posted it, you did not cross the Plus and Minus
poles of your charger and inverter...
Please try it and report back.
Many thanks.

[Walter Hofmann]

Hi all,
first it was right that the "croosover" what isnt actually a cross over is just use the pole on one batterie for the inverter and the poles on the last battery for the charger this is one of the most importand facts,
the next is powering the charger from a inverter and I believe it has to do with the typw of wave what comes out of the inverter because all ordinary inverter use quasi sinus wave what is like a rough sinus or a rounded square wave and this kind has a mor steep rise and fall which probably is the fact that the batteries get charged different then with the true sinus from the grid and thats why the system will not work if the charger is connected to the grid.
what is also true is that it is not importand for the systems working if you got a old iron charger or a newer electronic version except if you got one which is computer regulated, because like explained the charger electronic just use the voltage rise and fall as base for regulation and the current runs different without any regulation from the charger what is verry importand the only part with the old iron unragulated charger is that the batteries must be checked to avoidn a overcharging.
greetings
walt

@Grumpy
I think you have misread the post from Walter:

What is also right the cross over part what wass strang to me also because I was the opinion that if I bridge the batterie poles it would be the same doesnt matter if you put the load and the charger on the same contact but it isnt.

As far as I can read, Walter says that it ISN'T gonna work if you don't cross the inverter input and charger output.

What I not sure about is how much the charger affects the setup. ring_theory says that the type of charger is of no importance:

You could use the old boat anchor of a charger and replace it later.

Are you sure about that, ring_theory ?


BTW, the grid charging method didn't seem to work for me.

[Walter Hofmann]

Hi,
what kind of connection wire did you use keep in mind I used on my system heave Battery cabel which have a verry low resistance but at the relativly high current it makes a difference and also works like a real resistor in a paralell circuit to evenly distribute the charge to each battery. Just keep in mind a 12 inch pice of AWG # 8 has a resistence with soldered connector of about 31 Ohm, the same lenght of AWG 0/1 regular battery cabel has a resistence with soldered connector of only 9 Ohm. A 3 feet connector kabel AWG # 6 has a resistence of 28 Ohm.
In a system circuit like this one it has a tremendous play what size of connectorwire is used.
greetings
walt

Quick note-

I fully recharged my 5 batteries again and then tried the system using the grid to run just the battery charger. I put in a 100 watt load off of the inverter. The voltage dropped pretty quickly in this experiment and could not keep up the charge in the batteries. Like swinG I think that the set up using the grid power may not work.

[FreeEnergy]

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,903.0.html

[Walter Hofmann]

Hi free energy,
I dont see what you mean by this link which is known to me but in principle are not comparable to what we talking here except the result. maby you can enlighten me .
greetings
walt

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,903.0.html