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Overunity Machines Forum



AC voltage from single magnetic pole

Started by nix85, October 04, 2020, 10:16:36 PM

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nix85

You mixed the turns, voltage coil should have little turns, not vice versa.

Also you moved magnet by hand altho inductive reactance is undetectable at such low frequency.

It's funny how you try to prove he's right with resistive coils while doing the test wrongly forgetting he is making a claim for PURELY INDUCTIVE COIL.


ramset

NX85
Your use of word "Friends "
Is silly
Implying nonsense


Better to stick to Brutal honesty


There are no "Friends " when it comes
To truth


Just prove the point on your bench
Or accept a bench you will aprove for test !


And set criteria


You are fortunate to be amongst brutal honesty
Not "friends "
Regardless the outcome


The truth matters
And will rule the day !!



Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma

nix85

Quote from: ramset on October 09, 2020, 12:47:06 PM
NX85
Your use of word "Friends "
Is silly
Implying nonsense


Better to stick to Brutal honesty


There are no "Friends " when it comes
To truth


Just prove the point on your bench
Or accept a bench you will except for test


And set criteria


You are fortunate to be amongst brutal honesty
Not "friends "
Regardless the outcome


The truth matters
And will rule the day !!

It's not silly, there is a clear desire here to prove him right, call it friends or whatever.

Only truth matters, that i agree.

Just don't forget his claim is for pure inductive coil.

Here is one bench test showing clear 90° IV phase shift with aircores.

From description

"In this configuration the little flat coil with negligible inductance read only voltage and detect the position of magnets, the other coils are closed in loop and read the current across one shunt resistor of 10 Ohm. "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6AOTQlHhTU&;

verpies

Quote from: nix85 on October 09, 2020, 10:24:52 AM
That is relative thing since all physical laws can be skewed or bypassed in certain ways but within certain limits they hold true, see below for an example.
I am all for designing a good experiment that will not skew or obscure the phenomenon being studied.

Quote from: nix85 on October 09, 2020, 10:24:52 AM
Your belief.
You are right to call it a belief or a hypothesis or a conjecture until I proove or disproove it according to the scientific method e.g. with falisifibility and replicatibility.

Quote from: nix85 on October 09, 2020, 10:24:52 AM
Ohm's law has it's exceptions, incandescent bulb totally ignores Ohm's law, as filament gets hotter it's resistance increases and Ohm's law is out of window,
Not really, it is just a badly designed experiment, namely two disparate measurements of the filament in two very different physical conditions.
If the resistance measurement of a hot filament is made then the Ohm's Law holds.

Quote from: nix85 on October 09, 2020, 10:24:52 AM
Show me a near purely inductive circuit in which current does not lag voltage as magnet passes across the coil and i'll be happy to admit this law is bypassed in such case.
OK, but as you have just illustrated, a badly designed experiment will yield bad results, so we will have to design a good experiment to which we both agree.

Quote from: nix85 on October 09, 2020, 10:24:52 AM
PS. since you will using resistive coil to prove something about ideal coils, use as thick wire as possible and at least 50 turns.
I could use a NbTi coil but the dewar will obscure its view and the LH is is expensive and will break the clamp-on current probe for oscilloscope.


Quote from: nix85 on October 09, 2020, 10:24:52 AM
To do it right you should use two coils, one for voltage and another for current, measure current with a clamp probe for oscilloscope.
That is doable with two identical low-resistance coils and two identical magnets, but the coil for measuring induced voltage should not be in close proximity to the shorted coil used for measuring current because the latter may distort the permanent magnet's flux which reaches inside the former coil.

IMO it is important, that the two coils and magnets are identical to prevent any differences in their behavior. This should be verifiable by swapping their roles at any time.
Also, I think that when both coils are opened and used for induced voltage measurement, then both voltage waveforms generated by them, should be identical and appear in-phase on the scope. Two out-of-phase induced voltage waveforms would indicate misalignment and would necessitate calibration of the apparatus.


Do you think that a result of such experiment would constitute an objective proof or disproof of the 1 BTC challange ?

ramset


NX85 (sorry I posted while Verpies was commenting)Well actually
I beg to differ


It seems your impression is not accurate


I have heard from both sides
And it seems a very good discussion to have


Please do not think any here would be disengenuos
Or dishonest to support an associate (we who hunt FE are all associates)


Science has no friends and should have no agenda other than the truth


Please move forward
Is the post #45 here the issue of contention?


Respectfully
Chet
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