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Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?

Started by TriKri, March 29, 2021, 06:27:50 PM

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Ilya Tsimbaluk

Greetings. If we consider the Ampere force or the Lorentz force, first of all the Ampere force is only a mathematical expression, where Fa = BIl
B is magnetic induction, I is current, l is the length of the conductor
The force effect of magnetic induction on a section of conductor with current is considered here.
But in modern academic science it is considered correct to consider the effect of magnetic induction on the charge.
In essence, the forces are equal. All two cases are considered through the Left Hand Rule

rakarskiy

Quote from: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 31, 2023, 02:02:43 AM
Greetings. If we consider the Ampere force or the Lorentz force, first of all the Ampere force is only a mathematical expression, where Fa = BIl
B is magnetic induction, I is current, l is the length of the conductor
The force effect of magnetic induction on a section of conductor with current is considered here.
But in modern academic science it is considered correct to consider the effect of magnetic induction on the charge.
In essence, the forces are equal. All two cases are considered through the Left Hand Rule

Quite the opposite, the Lorentz Force is a mathematically derived relationship from the empirically based Ampère Force.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/ampere-force.html

onepower

Ilya Tsimbaluk
QuoteGreetings. If we consider the Ampere force or the Lorentz force, first of all the Ampere force is only a mathematical expression, where Fa = BIl
B is magnetic induction, I is current, l is the length of the conductor
The force effect of magnetic induction on a section of conductor with current is considered here.
But in modern academic science it is considered correct to consider the effect of magnetic induction on the charge.
In essence, the forces are equal. All two cases are considered through the Left Hand Rule

As Faraday implied, they had no idea what they were dealing with nor could they understand the complexity involved in electrical theory at the time. Faraday knew there were billions of things going on at a level they could not measure in every circuit. So Faraday basically said they should lump everything together and average it out to simplify it. However these generalized equations were never meant to be taken literally.

A general equation means, "general" involving the whole but not any details, "equation" mathematical expression/relationship.

In effect, it means to ignore almost all of the details, other possible variables and any anomalies. It works well enough if we want to build a simple motor or generator based on basic principals but not with advanced electrodynamics or free energy. To generalize means to ignore most of the details however the answers many are looking for are in the details.

Einstein had a saying for this, 'We Can't Solve Problems By Using The Same Kind Of Thinking We Used When We Created Them'.

For example, where does the 1/2 come from in the equation Energy = 1/2 m v^2?.
The "1/2" is a result of the integration process and the consideration of the average force in the work being done. It means the force could change in any number of ways at any time but there just going to ignore that fact and average everything out. Now if were trying to build a free energy device based on any extra forces not considered this averaging becomes problematic.

AC


Ilya Tsimbaluk

Greetings. It's quite logical what you say. as long as no one asks any questions - I assume that either no one understood anything, or simply no one objects to me. But here's the thing: when we talk about some resting body, does this mean that there are no forces acting on this body?
It may well seem that they do.

For example, consider a spring. If we have a weight that stretches the spring, this means that the force acting through the weight on the spring has become an equilibrium force.

But then the question is, is there an elastic force? If we consider the spring, we see that if the spring itself is released, the process will go in a very different way. Consequently, we have a spring that maintains a relationship with a support that holds the spring itself on one side, and we have a load on which the force of gravity acts.

If we compress the spring, it means. on the one hand. the moment we compress the spring. Now we're talking about Hooke's law. There is a force that compresses the spring, what is the counteracting force?

They say it's the elastic force. But is it an elastic force?
It seems to me that the counteracting force is the support on one side, where between the source of force in the form of the man and the counteracting force in the form of the support there is some intermediate element.

Then the question is - does the intermediate element take part or does it manifest itself as an independent force?
What if this intermediate element is an intermediate medium in the form of a magnetic field?

I assume that if we have an intermediate element between the human and the support is a spring, part of the energy is stored in the spring itself, so it takes up part of the energy between the support and the human.

With the magnetic field as the intermediate medium, ideal, because this intermediate medium in the form of the magnetic field seems to possess, as it may seem at first sight, elasticity, in fact, the magnetic field as a manifestation of the physical vacuum cannot store the mechanical energy and it can only produce some force interrelation between the human and the support in case of conditional compression.

bistander

Hello Ilya Tsimbaluk,
I'll mention that I don't agree with opinions expressed by these other two members here. As a newcomer, please realize that each member speaks for theirself only.
Regards.
bi