RESSURECTED TINMAN NEW INVENTION.

[citfta]

You guys are assuming that a lot of things weren't done that were actually done.  In the instructions for building the device it was stressed several times that the pull force of the electromagnet needed to be matched as close as possible to the pull force of the neo magnets.  Since neos are so strong that is why it usually meant the core of the electromagnet needed to be about 1/3 of the distance from the torque plate as the  distance of the neo from the torque plate.  And yes the 1+1=3 was demonstrated many times using an electromagnet and neo combination.


As far as your idea captainpecan about using two electromagnets, I found that to be far superior to using a neo and electromagnet.  I won't say any more than that.  But your assumption that the torque plate would leave from between them with no back drag is entirely correct.


Good luck.

[Floor]

@ citfta

No assuming of any thing.  The fact is, these things were not previously
discussed        here          .

[Floor]

But since citfta makes no mention of it, I'm guessing that no force measurements
over the course of travel were made ?
... ... ... ... ... ...

if 1neo. + 1neo. =  +3
and 3 - 1 neo. (magnet drag) =  +2
and electric power into 1 electro magnet = 1
then power out = 2 - 1 = +1

if 1 + 1 = 3 (electro magnets)
and 3 - 0 neo magnets = 3
and electric power into 2 electro magnets = 2
then power out = 3 - 2 = +1

if this kind of torque plate(permanent magnet / electro magnet) is more efficient
than conventional motor designs then cool !

if this kind of torque plate(all electro magnet) is more efficient
than conventional motor designs then even cooler !

If the all electromagnet performs better, instead of the same.
             then
1. one's permanent magnet motor version is not performing correctly
              or
2. 1 + 1 is not = 3  here

[Floor]

Partial quote

In the instructions for building the device it was stressed several times that the pull force of the electromagnet needed to be matched as close as possible to the pull force of the neo magnets.  Since neos are so strong that is why it usually meant the core of the electromagnet needed to be about 1/3 of the distance from the torque plate as the  distance of the neo from the torque plate. 
Good luck.

                         1 permanent magnet and 1 electromagnet

1. the electromagnet being closer is only good while the torque plate
is still between.
2. if 1 + 1 does not = 3 over the course of the travel then the electromagnet being
closer can't improve things.
3. still it remains that, building the motor and testing the input to output ratio
is a valid course to pursue as well.

          best
            wishes
               floor

[Floor]

if 1 electromagnet + 1 electromagnet = 3
            then
         very cool
even if this is only while the torque plate is between,
           or
      possibly
even if only during a brief portion of the time during which the torque plate
is between.

if 1 electromagnet + 1 electromagnet = 3 through out the travel...
then coolest of all ?

   again
      best
        wishes