More clairifaction of floors Twist Drive

[Tarsier_79]

I believe that is where we differ in opinion. At the moment, that hasn't been proven.

The magnet has to give back at least the energy you put into it by lifting the small weight to input the energy, as that is the amount lost per cycle (at least in the configuration you show on youtube). I personally don't hold much faith in your magnetic/ coil addition to your device.

As an electronics Tech, I have an understanding of coil generators, and they cost relative to the power drawn from them. However, I hope you have some success with your tests.

My replication will be a replication of the magnetic twist principle, not of your device exactly. I like to work with grass-roots/ base principles. I  will not bother you with it in this thread.

[Willy]

I believe that is where we differ in opinion. At the moment, that hasn't been proven.

No problem.

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"The magnet has to give back at least the energy you put into it by lifting the small weight to input the energy, as that is the amount lost per cycle (at least in the configuration you show on youtube). I personally don't hold much faith in your magnetic/ coil addition to your device.

As an electronics Tech, I have an understanding of coil generators, and they cost relative to the power drawn from them. However, I hope you have some success with your tests.

My replication will be a replication of the magnetic twist principle, not of your device exactly. I like to work with grass-roots/ base principles. I  will not bother you with it in this thread."
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Given the best of efficiencies for any type of electric generator, a cascading of twist drive devices would be needed before the generator came into play in order to acquire a useful amount of electricity.

However given that any device operates at unity, when all outputs are considered
(includes that which is normally considered as wasted energy) before addition
of the magnet and coil combination. i.e. the twist drives in the videos operate only
at unity.  Then, even the magnet and coil addition as illustrated (terribly inefficient as it is)
brings the operation  to over unity.

Good luck with your build.

Some things to consider (a list) for builders, compiled from my own experiences
and the insights / ideas shared here, by users Ramset and CITFTA (2 days ago).

What ever type of magnets you use, some of those considerations
might be useful.

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https://overunity.com/19468/twist-drive-builds/msg577580/#msg577580

Additional information and insights were given by user LankaIV
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https://overunity.com/18880/magnetic-force-and-electric-force-alignment/msg577433/#msg577433

                                    AND BY
by user smoky2
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https://overunity.com/18497/floor-sweepings-dust-bin/msg577574/#msg577574

   Thanks again

[Willy]

Using off the shelf magnets

I can get a greater than  2 to 1 work out, to work in ratio during part of the
cycle. The NET energy gain is zero in a full cycle. This> 2 to 1 out put can be
cascaded by using multiples of the device.

I think the odds are pretty bad that I just happened upon the optimal
magnet shape. Some other geometry of the magnet shapes is bound to
give yet better results. Likely Some other  interaction can as well.

The shape of the interacting magnets.

I used off the shelf magnets.
Ceramic type. I am uncertain of the grade.
Rectangular wafer shaped.
1 7/8 by 7/8 by 3/8 inch thick.
Magnetic poles on the broad faces.

[Willy]

                                       Other characteristics of the twist drive.

The input and the output of the device occur simultaneously.

The twist drive has more momentum present within it, during its operating than
the energy input accounts for.

The rising and falling of a rack gear if used as the weight object on the rotational
side of the device, could transfer kinetic energy into a flywheel during the 'output'
and 'input' phases of the device's cycling (both).  This would of course, slow the cycling
of the twist drive itself.

    ADDED

Even though the twist dive is a physical device, there are aspects to
the interactions / its operation which are to some degree
                            ANALOGOUS
with aspects / characteristics present within electronics / other electromagnetic
interactions.

Some of which are

reluctance
reactance
magnetic field in relation to capacitive field.
impedance matching / mismatch

[Willy]

                                                           OR
                          The output occurs after the input has been completed

Generally, I describe the twist drive output as occurring as, after the input
part of the cycle.  Also generally I designate the output as 'output' because,

without the use of one kind or another, of adaptation method, there is no
output available from the twist drives operation.