FREE ENERGY DEVICE from Ebay???

[dvder]

Saw this today.

   
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   FREE ENERGY DEVICE (120 VOLT ENERGY FROM MID AIR)
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[bw]

Great job dvder, he is not tricking folks on ebay but still advertising on youtube. likely got sales from both.  I left bad comments but now i am blocked.  Just trying to warn others.

[nrg00]

i ordered the plans. it does have some merit i think although i dont know if his facts are correct until i test it. I wont infringe upon his copywrite as much as id like to tell you my take on it.

a few points though: he does have a few misprints. i called him and he picked up the phone and talked to me. sent the plans email same day. on another note, its not legal to post someones I.P. WHOIS info in a public forum. im not choosing sides, i just want to put things into further perspective. but i do have a great deal of respect for people here i guess thats why its sad to see the hostility towards someone who is encouraging free energy (perhaps in the form of excess wasted magnetism). If he has a fact or 2 wrong then its up to his scientist peers to correct him, not go on a witchhunt after him.

the guy that he owes the $144 to i feel for ya but the guy has no investors. id bet he chose living expense $ over customer refund. hopefully the $40 i sent will makes its way back to ya.

one question to yall though if you wouldnt mind- is it true that no draw on primary sources is affected with a current transformer?

[gyulasun]

i ordered the plans. it does have some merit i think although i dont know if his facts are correct until i test it. I wont infringe upon his copywrite as much as id like to tell you my take on it.

a few points though: he does have a few misprints. i called him and he picked up the phone and talked to me. sent the plans email same day. on another note, its not legal to post someones I.P. WHOIS info in a public forum. im not choosing sides, i just want to put things into further perspective. but i do have a great deal of respect for people here i guess thats why its sad to see the hostility towards someone who is encouraging free energy (perhaps in the form of excess wasted magnetism). If he has a fact or 2 wrong then its up to his scientist peers to correct him, not go on a witchhunt after him.

the guy that he owes the $144 to i feel for ya but the guy has no investors. id bet he chose living expense $ over customer refund. hopefully the $40 i sent will makes its way back to ya.

one question to yall though if you wouldnt mind- is it true that no draw on primary sources is affected with a current transformer?

Hi nrg00 and All,

The short answer is yes the draw is affected on primary sources when you use a current transformer but how much it is affected would be a more precise question.

Earlier in this thread a member here who had bought this 'free energy' device quoted from the instructions what Stefan (moderator of this forum) included here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1933.msg38574.html#msg38574   

So it turns out that the current drawn by a normal load like an electric bulb is feed through the primary coil (that consists of one or a few turns) of a current transformer and the output (secondary) coil (that consists of some hundred turns) of this transformer feeds another (separate) load and this is called free energy!!!!

Technically speaking, when you use a current transformer you place an extra (but usually small) load in series with your original load (as if you were connecting a 10W power bulb in series with a 60W bulb and the 10W bulb is on the output of the current transformer and the 60W bulb is the original load).  You practically create a voltage divider in your original circuit by transforming another load into it with the transformer and this transformed load appears in series with your original load.
And the more load you put on the output multiturn secondary coil of your current transformer the more power will be taken away from your original load because a transformer is a two-way device.  So if you connect another 60W bulb to the output of your current transformer, then  -assuming ideal current transformer operation- your first 60W bulb and this 60W bulb will light with half brightness!!!  (As if you had connected both 60W bulbs in series with each other.)  And by the nature of (any) transformator the more you increase the load on the secondary side (by connecting 100W or higher bulbs for instance), the higher impedance-transformation occurs and reflects to its secondary side which is series with the original 60W bulb so the less power remains for the original 60W bulb to operate from so it gradually dims!

Now the question is:  do you still agree with this 'free energy' device?   Because you use the mains for operating the original 60W bulb and you are of course metered and charged for that and you introduce this 'device', you do not GAIN anything BUT you have been ripped off with the price you had paid for this 'brilliant idea'!!! 
Now you understand that ongoing witchhunting is still JUSTIFIED after him!

I would appreciate your opinion on this now.

Thanks,  Gyula

[nrg00]

Hi thanks.

the plans state SPECIFICALLY : does not affect draw from primary source.- the primary bulb will not dim and current from the primary source will not be affected.

My understanding of the plans is that there is an otherwise wasted magnetic field that is just radient energy that he's tapping with the coil which doesnt affect the current draw from primary source.

now of course i know you cant draw ever increasing voltage on the secondary side and maintain the same current on the primary side - thats not logical, however the magnetic field is actually the secondary coil power source, so can this be "drawn" through the lines without actually registering on the meter?

Yes it takes a primary source. but the 'free energy' hes referring to is what he says is radiant magnatism from the primary source current - magnetism otherwise wasted.

so its really a 'residual ambient energy" rather than "free energy" as you must first have a primary source first.

question remains whether the draw of this magnetism (or how much*) into voltage on the secondary actually ends up causing more draw on the Primary. Or if tapping this wasted ambient magnetism somehow does not increase the primary load, but instead cycles the magnetism through undetected by a voltage meter / electric utility meter? Perhaps his experiments used current so low that it was an undetectable change to the primary source current.

it specifically states that no increased draw from primary source occurs when tapping the secondary coil output. If this isnt true then its blatent false advertising  (or maybe its a simple error that he needs to be corrected on - which is just a mistake - NOT fraud). otherwise its just harnessing wasted energy that otherwise is released into the atmosphere. more like 'recycled energy' i guess. free is a matter of perspective at that point i guess.

Im just not advanced enough to know until i hook up a an ammeter to the primary with different loads on the secondary. perhaps there is an amount of current that can be drawn without affecting the primary current?

whether 40, 4, or .4  milliamps (typos exist in the document) are produced at the secondary is begging to be tested. i am building something else for the real power. this device here in question just needs to be confirmed or refuted scientifically in my opinion for the principle of the tapping of the "residual magnatism" which supposedly (specifically stated) causes no current draw on the primary.

If i have in any way infringed on copywrite please contact me and ill edit this post down.

and please correct me if im wrong about anything ive said.