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[apecore]

Mr Apcore here is a so called working display of the Don Smith device (from the Youtube internet.
Notice the large charge number of capacitors before the spark gap that looks to feed the the output stage.
It's dumping a huge amount of charged energy across the spark gap switch, leathal infact!

But if you look at the Ruslan device it doesn't work like that it just (the grenade) gets a few HV pulses
from the Tesla coil that doesn't go any where just TX is them into thin air. I mean is that a joke or what.

I needs some one to prove the concept on a smaller scale Any offers ?

Sil

Mr AlienGrey,

Those caps are series connected, to make them HV resistance.. overall capacitance is low.

Cant follow your quote about the grenade and TX..
I suspect that the arrangement by Ruslan according the use of kacher is fake...
But who am I?

[worldcup]

Original post, taken from here - https://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg369992/#msg369992

chinese forum link wont load, instead use this https://web.archive.org/web/20170616115528/http://www.energysea.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1157

That is a chinese replication of the donald smith device.
see the original post here:
http://www.energysea.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1157
and also here:
http://user.qzone.qq.com/278885050/blog/1378191565#!app=2&via=QZ.HashRefresh&pos=1378191565
Please use Google to translate it.

his diagram is in the attachment.

it seems that his replication doesn't need any ground connection.


He (青云Cloud) is also the person who made the 2 shaded pole motors (one modified)  self looping device.
This might not be a fake.

I have one question.
How to calcuate the values of the secondary capacitors to match resonance?

[AlienGrey]

Mr AlienGrey,

Those caps are series connected, to make them HV resistance.. overall capacitance is low.

Cant follow your quote about the grenade and TX..
I suspect that the arrangement by Ruslan according the use of kacher is fake...
But who am I?

There is a a scope shot of the charge of that circuit by Geo Fusion
and you end up with more out than in look on his youtube channel
it's about pulling in static charge from the air/environment, the problem with the grenade
is it's all fifilar wound DS shows that produces all current and no voltage.

Did you watch the Don Smith video 14, TX is short for transmiting and RX is rceiving.
An important statment in vid 14 he says the battery is charged by the resident oscilater
freqency is a wave length and if its in tune / resonance harmonis, he called it a magic battery.

Sil

[pix]

Nope, it sure doesn't explain anything important.  It only shows
roughly what the final device will tend to look like.

The principal is this:

You create two conditions of Lenz Law, put them in opposition to
each other and place your load in the middle.  Flip the switch and
let known physical laws fight it out while you power your load.

How might that be done?

Start with a transmission line, or in this case a coil with the normally
grounded common leg being the air.  Inject two discrete signals into
one primary using frequency shift keying.  These signals will produce
four traveling waves with each pair producing their own set of standing
waves.  You will get standing waves because the coil is not terminated
with its characteristic impedance and therefore, there will be wave
reflections at each end.  The standing waves will align themselves with
anti-nodes that can be easily detected along the length of the coil.
Once the anti-nodes are found, pick two of them adjacent to each other,
near the end of the coil.  This is where you will place the output coils.

How might this actually work?

First, keep in mind the standing waves are only virtual, what really
composes them are travelling waves.  This is why you need to choose
anti-nodes adjacent to each other, because the act of Lenz Law or
the back EMF from the load, is going to shove the travelling waves
in such a manner where they get pushed from one output coil right
back to the other output coil in three out of four instances.  Trying
to stop Lenz Law or circumventing it is pointless, as most of us know
by now.  The trick is to make it work for us.

What I want to see now is for someone that reads this, have the light
come on in their head and build the darn device, get it tuned and show
us a video of the thing running close-looped.  If I have to be the one
to do it, I'll probably die first and no one will see anything.  Then you
can all watch reruns of Bunk doing it, knowing full well how it probably
works.

Hi Dog-one,
In your description the principle is still the same I described in:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg577025/#msg577025
Feeding discrete signals into primary in resonant way, amplitude of standing waves will rise linearly , energy will rise with the square of amplitude.
You will have standing wave nodes and antinodes.
At nodes there there is current, at antinodes there is potential.
It is the same like hairpin, Tesla ect. Connecting incadescent lamp between node and antinode-you will light it up like in Hairpin case.
First of all, why would you need a four travelling waves to create nodes and antinodes?
Tesla secondary is better and simpler way. It is a  1/4 wavelength transmission line . You have a clear node at ground point, and clear antinode at top terminal.
Feeding discrete signal into primary in resonant way the magnification process will start in secondary. You will have many volts at top side and many amps at ground side.
Discharge that accumulated energy periodically. Let volts and amps combine. That's all.
P=U x I x cos(U,I)
And you will have a very similiar wave pattern on the oscilloscope like in mechanical oscillator, see attached pdf document.


I see Tesla and all related devices as energy compressor. As 1/4 wave resonator  taps discrete energy pockets and let them accumulate to the point it can't keep that energy anymore and it breaks loose. Have you seen powerfull Tesla coil discharges?
In Turkey presentation of Kapanadze we see clearly 3 Tesla coils discharging from top terminals to 3 tall structures that are similiar to capacitive step down transformers used for HV applications:
Difference between Capacitive Voltage Transformer CVT and CCVT: (electengmaterials.com)


Maybe there is another way to get accumulated energy from Tesla secondary and convert it to low voltage 50 Hz applications. Maybe CW/CCW coil is the way. I don't know , this has to be practically checked.


But in my opinion principle lies in simple math, in properties of tuned resonator.
To do it in efficient way we need to keep radiation and other loses low. We need to have lowes practically possible resonator, and slow wave transmission line (Tesla secondary) in a kHz region is a good candidate.


Cheers,
Pix

[Dog-One]

First of all, why would you need a four travelling waves to create nodes and antinodes?

You are asking that question because you have not thought this
through enough.  You need two traveling waves moving in opposite
directions to get one set of standing waves.  You need two sets of
standing waves in order to pit one against the other, with your
load in between.

So how does energy from the environment enter into this system?

What did I say about this being a transmission line?  One leg of the
transmission line is the air around the coil.  This device has setup
the conditions where the environment must provide what is missing
in order to satisfy the physical/electrical restrictions within the coil.
It is most definitely an open system.  A normal transmission line is
a closed system and wave propagation is fixed based on the segment
L/C ratio.  With this device, wave propagation speed is still a fixed
parameter unless you externally alter the capacitance between the
coil and the air around it.  This is what I suspect happens naturally--
charge is pulled into the air, to charge that coil/air capacitor and keep
the system in balance electrically.  This external charge actually alters
the capacitance dynamically while the device runs.