UFOs as the Nazi legacy

[nix85]

Did i say or imply Dulce base is "100 percent fake". No i did not. I clearly wrote Phil Schneider is "100 percent fake", not Dulce base.

The video you linked literally repeats the stuff i already posted above on Dulce story story but he does it click-bait, no discernment, video is typical youtube story telling (views making), for example he starts the Schneider part with "Schneider claimed"...and in very next sentence proceeds to narrate what Schnider said as "fact", "claimed" part is no longer, now viewer is to accept Schneider was honest. Guy in the video does not even mention Jason Bishop aka "TAL" who originated the Dulce story. He does shows that supposed aliens in the incubation chamber photo and says it was taken by Castello, and admits what i already wrote before, that "photo" is a scene from Arnold Schwarzenegger's 2000. movie The 6th day. As for animal mutilations, they happen all over and that alone by far does not prove Dulce base as originated by TAL.

For Dulce i wrote it's questionable but i don't dismiss it. I even posted a map of Dulce-Albuquerque distance and Sandia case below (very important) that might be Dulce or Dulce-like facility in Albuquerque area. As i have written in previous post

"And this case i also shared already also talking about underground military-ET base near Albuquerque. Question arises was he taken to Dulce or is it another base inside a mountain."

And i don't think it's Dulce, for description is different.

And quote from the article...

"Where they ended up was inside an underground Sandia mountain range base with the largest hanger doors and a landing strip inside that could support 3 jets abreast or a b-29. He said (the cousin) he had never seen a landing strip that big before. Not even on land."

"He told Harold there were whole colonies of people living inside this mountain range base and he believed he had witnessed what people call 'alien' and 'UFO's' parked in that restricted area."

"She said her son dropped by once to let her know they were all right. She said to Harold did you know these ships can travel into space in seconds? Her son was now traveling into space aboard very fast ships. She advised Harold to drop pursuing the case because these people involved are a people you want nothing to do with. Their dangerous."

https://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/Sandia.html

I posted the Dulce story history summarized in that ATS post and that myth was started by Jason Bishop aka "TAL" who claimed to have worked with Thomas Castello in 78-79 as a security and that Castello told him about Dulce where he supposedly worked.

Since no shred of evidence exists that Castello really existed, whole story relies on Bishop's claim who, allegedly according to his sister (which of course might or might not have been faked) was mentally ill, just like Schenider supposedly according to his brother. More here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGs5VHU4cFI

I don't even exclude Schneider was murdered for drawing attention to military-ET underground bases subject, but his own "testimony" was indeed 100% fake.

So, as i clearly wrote before, there is no question there are underground military-ET bases in Albuquerque area, but is particular Dulce story as originated by Bishop true is inconclusive to say the least.

So read my posts better, for i never said "100% fake" for Dulce but for Schneider, and do more and better research.

[nix85]

Ummo case is one of bigger contactee cases and well known in the field.

In short they come from a solar system WOLF 424 in the Constellation of VIRGO 14 light years away which they traverse in 8-9 months. They look nordic, tall and blonde. They are generally peaceful and loving but also very hierarchical and prone to humiliation punishments for "disobedience". Vast majority of them lose ability to speak in puberty, those sent to Earth were rare who had the ability apparently assisted with a device and still they had trouble speaking sounding nasal.

Actual recording of one of Ummites speaking in Spanish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUlNAWA-MuM

UMMO inspired music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq2erT53g1g

What follows is interesting bit about a sleepover of group of Ummites in Madrid at a home of one of people to whom they were dictating.

An incredible letter

Next is a summary from a incredible letter to Villagrasa about the visitors from UMMO and their contact to the author of this letter:

(Received 6 June 1967 in the evening)

Senor D. Enrique Villagrasa
Madrid

Madrid, 4 June 1967
Dear Sir:

A few months ago I wrote you a letter about a meeting that we had planned but which, as I'll explain farther on, could not be held. I am the gentleman who up to now has been typing what the gentlemen from the planet UMMO have been dictating to me.

You have surely heard about everything that has been happening these days, and I couldn't resist the temptation to be frank with you. I think what has happened exceeds anything that one can imagine. You recall in my last letter I told you my story which, if it were told to many people, they would think I was crazy, but you know them and can understand me. Even my wife, who up to a few days ago was quite sceptical and thought they were spies (you know already that when a women gets something into her head, she doesn't reason and there is no one who can convince her with arguments), has had to give in before the evidence and what has been happening, because now maybe people who don't know anything about this are right in not believing it, but we who have lived it, and I think I have lived through more of it than you, would have to be crazy not to admit the facts.

During the months since I wrote you, more things have happened. Do you remember the proposition we made to this gentleman to whom they were writing a great deal and who is a professor of medicine, who is skeptical and doesn't even think they come from UMMO (although I suppose he may have changed his opinion now)?

Well, on their return they learned about this and got rather angry; they forbade us from going on with planning the meeting, indicating that they would cut off all contact with us if we did continue, and giving as a reason that we had promised to keep the affair secret. I went to visit the doctor and he received me in a state of worry about the matter.

He told me that everything was very strange and confused (I don't see it as confused and even less so now). He told me he admitted that the events were quite extraordinary and that he maintained a correspondence with another doctor in North America with whom they (Ummites) were also corresponding and that, yes, he believed they were extra-terrestrials, but that he could not admit it because he said it was absurd ("absurd" he may think it, but no one can convince me now of the contrary), and that he thought it was some commission from some state for purposes unknown to us (why look for problems where there are none? So this gentleman may be a professor and very intelligent, but some things, if they don't believe them, have to be ex-plained more logically, but giving no explanation is even the more absurd). Anyway he recognized that they were exceptional strangers with erudition and procedures unknown in medicine.

And he recognized that he owed them a lot and that the gentlemanly attitude would be to comply with their request and not call a meeting of everybody we know personally by letter or telephone as we had then planned. The wife of this professor, who was with us (because I always went with my wife) also felt that we should comply with keeping the secret as they asked; in fact she was more of a believer than her husband. Of course, to tell the truth, he didn't say it wasn't the truth, but only that he doubted it before he finally admitted it.

At this point other gentlemen from UMMO came to our house. I knew one who did not speak, and another one who was older and who had spent a lot of time in South America. These days we have had a lot of work. In addition to which I know they are also dictating letters to another gentleman who is an administrative assistant. I wrote under dictation to other gentlemen to whom we had not written before, all of them in Madrid except one in Valencia, this last one also a doctor, and the others are an engineer of the I.C.A.I., a writer, a university professor of Exact Sciences, and two others whose professions I don't know. I talked by phone with the professor of Exact Sciences and he was quite intrigued and asked me a lot of questions, but finally told me that he thought I was the one who had been writing the papers covering some questions he asked about a thing called THEORY OF RETICULA in its application to stochastical processes. If you could have seen how surprised he was by the answer they gave him! It took a lot of work to make him see that I had not studied mathematics and was not a professor as he said I was. On the other hand, they have stopped writing to some of the gentlemen, for example the industrial engineer

On account of all this, my brother- in-law, who had been told what was happening, had a quarrel with me because he thought the affair could get us into serious trouble, but when they don't give any reasons, I don't accept advice, so I answered by asking him to tell me what kind of trouble could happen to me. Because when I type things they dictate to me, I am not doing anything against the law. The truth is that he was more scared than I was because he finally became convinced that they were telling the truth in saying they came from UMMO.

But from having dealt with them I am convinced they are the best people I have ever seen in my lifetime. We of Earth would like to be as free of malice (ondskap)as they are, and so understanding and impartial in comprehending the most intimate things. Just to hear the gentleness and earnestness with which they reprehend and say things makes their portrait. And don't think they are fools; even when they glance at you, they seem to be looking through you.

But toward the close of last year they dictated some things to me in which they said to one of their correspondents that one of their interplanetary ships was going to come between Janary and May.

In fact, on a visit from two of them on Sunday, 14 May, I noticed that something was in the wind because they dictated a letter that amazed me because it was a commercial letter going to Australia, re- questing information about thermacoustic insulating panels. They had never dictated anything like this. The most curious feature was that they brought some sheets and a stamped envelope with the name of a Madrid commercial firm specializing in the decorating of commercial premises. (out of curiosity I went to that address and know that it is an architect we had never written before.)

Besides, they began coming to the house with more assiduity to dictate things of a scientific nature, but on the other hand they were paying less attention to this matter because a recently written report was reviewed by their superior, named DEI 98, who had ordered me to mail it immediately. Now, for a change, they are dictating more things and they gave me a sort of agenda of instructions by which to mail them out at greater intervals on different dates to each person. For example, something I sent you about a mathematical problem of the IBOZOO UU - I had been keeping longer waiting for the date marked down for it On Corpus Christi Day they phoned for me at 11:00 in the morning. I was not in and my wife answered. They said they would call again at two. The gentleman in charge of them, DEI 98, came to the telephon and asked if he could talk with my "YIE" (they call wives YIE) and me at six in the afternoon about a matter that was important to them. I said yes, and worriedly consulted my wife on it because he insisted that there be no one else in the house at that time besides us.

[There must be some universal reason for this secrecy imperative because we find it in so many UFO contact cases throughout the world It is almost as it there were some universally understood reason why these activities should remain carefully restricted. -Publisher]

At that hour DEl 98 arrived with another gentleman I did not know and whom he introduced to me as IAUDU 3. This gentleman did not utter a word. We gathered in the dining room and DEl 98 told my wife and me they were expecting by 31 May or perhaps a bit sooner - one of their ships which would land in Madrid and for this reason many of "their brothers" (they call each other brother although they are not blood relatives) had come to Madrid. They wanted from us what they called a great favor. He said that on the following day the lady who was the superior or chief of all the Ummites who were here on Earth, would arrive in Madrid. He said she was coming from Singapore vi London and that they had begun to study the matter of her lodging, and preferred to spend the night in a private home rather than in a hotel, subject to acceptance of the plan by my wife and me, but begging us not to feel the slightest obligation and if we forsaw any inconvenience or felt any fear about it, to tell them in all frankness.

My wife hurried to say yes, but that she felt embarrassed because our house lacks the comforts of a hotel; however, she said she could sleep in our double bed and we would either make ourselves comfortable in the sofabed or else, if necessary, we would go to my mother-in-law's home. I for my part said the only preoccupation was finding c explanation in case the concierge found out, although it would really be no big problem because we could say, for example, that they were friends we met on our vacation in Malaga, of Swedish nationality. DEI 98 explained that the persons who would overnight would be two women YU 1, daughter of AIN 368, and another "sister" who, as I will explain, must have been at the same time her secretary and maid (I'll tell you shortly, because we had time to talk with her), and he also told us something that astounded us: That in no way would she sleep in our bed while we lay down out here; that we should choose an available room for her and she would sleep on the floor! And that her companion would not be sleeping while her superior was doing so.

On 26 May at seven in the evening there came ASOO 3 son of AGU 28 (whom I already knew because he had dictated things to me for various people) along with the same silent gentleman of the day before. They carried an average leather suitcase, very modern and of medium size, which we believed would be the things of the two ladies who were to come. They chatted with us after asking to look at all the rooms. They said they were waiting for nightfall in order to do something. Their Superior would arrive around ten-thirty. We also learned that in the street "several more brothers" were waiting. They did not want to accept anything but water.

It was getting dark when they asked us to turn off the light in the dining room and to open up the balcony wide. The one who did not speak Spanish remained seated motionless with his eyes closed as if hypntized, and the other one took out what looked like a ballpoint pen and this began to emit a continuous buzz that went higher and lower because something was being communicated to them. Meanwhile the other one awakened from time to time and spoke to him in their language.

Night had now fallen. It was about ten-twenty and they put the suitcase in front of the balcony and opened it. My wife and I were seated without saying a word, and very impressed. Since across the street from us there is a neon sign of an electric appliance shop, we saw all they were doing even though our lights were turned out. First they looked carefully to see if there was anyone on the balconies which, although not across from us in the other facade of the building, are not far away. Then they began to take out of the suitcase things like metallic balls the size of a tennis ball and other smaller ones. I had already seen one months before. It is something extraordinary. They stay in the air and go to all heights as if controlled by radio. In addition they took out two more things, although they couldn't be seen well, were shaped like this: (picture not here).

In all they removed some twenty or more of different kinds. Onie by one they took them out on the balcony and, as if they were little bubbles or balloons, they disappeared toward the street. At least four more passed near the roof bordering the lamp and floated into the hallway of the house.

[Here is the first detailed explanation of the purpose and use of the mysterious mini-sondes reported in so many UFO close encounter cases. Here again, because of their widespread employment by many different ET visitors, this must be a nearly universal technology completely unknowwn to us at this time. -Publisher]

Then they asked our permission and went into the hallway and we heard the door to the street open. When they came back, the suitcase was empty. All this time the one who did not know Spanish was manipulating a metal rod with a disc in the center.

At a quarter to eleven the doorbell rang. Most surprising was that, while chatting with us, ASOO told us that they had arrived at the street door and, although I know that the gate does not close until later, they said it was not wise to go down to receive them.

Nervously we opened (the door) for them. Accompanied by DEl 98 were two young ladies. One of them was taller and the other much younger and petite; they wore very modern elkskin coats, the larger girl a maroon color and the younger one a slight green, the one we now knew to be the "Superior". She carried a plastic flight bag with the airline acronym "DEA". They carried no other luggage. Both were blond and wore their hair loose. They were dressed in a modern but tasteful fashion.

The small one (who was the chief), with an English accent and speakmg Spanish very badly although understandably, addressed my wife and said something to the effect that she thanked her from the heart for the hospitality of the "Country of Spain". We all went into the dining room after the two men who had come earlier, took leave. In w whole life I have never felt more at ease, for when Miss YU 1, my wife and I sat down, the larger girl, whose name was something like UUOO 120 or so, and DEl 98, who is the man who has most impressed me in my life with his infinite intelligence, remained standing, which was very unnatural, and that I criticize even if it was out of respect for their superior, because they ought to have realized that my wife and I felt very strained.

For example, since nothing escapes me, I noticed that every time she asked for something, they lowered their eyes when answering as if they did not dare to look at her. She is little more than a youngster; she can't be over nineteen so far as we know, but she looks sixteen. The other girl looked some twenty-three or twenty-five. Of course what most surprised my wife was that she, the youngest of all those here, was the one in command, so she blurted it out. The three of them laughed and the Superior said that we must not think that on UMMO the young girls are in command, that this depends on many factors.

We talked a great deal about Spanish customs. The only thing that disgusted them was the bulls. Nothing was said about the planet UMMO. She asked a lot of questions about the Spanish government; she knew about many things, the Referendum and even the Cortes. I told her that we did not want to mix in politics since the reds killed my father in the war. I was astounded by what she knew. My wife listened to her timidly without daring to say anything. She realized this and very gently began to talk about Spanish cooking, then remarked that she was saddened to learn that Spanish women read little and are not given an intellectual education as are the men, and she was sure their feminity is never lost with greater education. Then she looked at the other girl with a smile and the latter opened the traveling bag and handed my wife a marvelous home encyclopedia with color plates in Spanish.

We had supper there; my wife was amazed because the two women forced her to let them help her. What surprised us more is that they ate like us, but refused to take wine. They had already told us they wanted a sample meal, and my wife had prepared beforehand baked potatoes, boiled eggs, and for them fruit (oranges and bananas). Another absurd thing is that throughout the meal the Superior insisted so much on helping my wife that when it was over, she (the Superior) washed the pots while her secretary remained standing without helping, as my wife told me afterwards. Her timidity had left her by then and they chatted a great deal while they were drying the dishes. (I stayed at the table talking with DEl 98). Another thing that surprised us was that before starting to eat they requested permission to remove their shoes. The older girl knelt and with naturalness took off the shoes of their Superior, and then the two of them removed their own footwear. Seated during the supper, they did not speak unless she directed questions to them.

The most strained moment came now, for they very discreetly asked permission to retire. Again we begged them to use our bed or at least the sofa-bed, but it was useless.

DEl 98 went out on the street. I learned he was heading for a near by hotel where they had set up a kind of temporary official center for themselves. I believe this was with the sole mission of protecting MissYU I.

Besides that I think there were several of them walking about in the area all night.
I say it was a very unnatural situation because she wouldn't even let my wife give her a blanket. She told us smilingly that she was not know what to do or say. The older girl, who spoke much better Spanish than her superior, asked our permission to "throw something on the floor", telling us not to worry because on the following day there would be nothing there nor would the floor tiles be damaged in any way. She took out what looked like a nickel-plated cylinder and an incredible quantity of yellow foam came out of it and left a big patch on the floor like varnish(lakk). We did not dare even to ask about it. Miss YU I stayed in it and we three went out. The other girl said she would not lie down but would stay all night in the hallway. When we went into our bedroom, we were so nervous and worried that we did not dare to undress. I don't know why, but it occurred to my wife to make me more nervous by saying that maybe the police might come, as if we were committing a crime or doing something bad.

We sat on the bed without talking for twenty minutes, then my wife goes and says she wanted to knock in case they needed anything. After-wards she told me about it. The older girl was walking up and down in the hallway with her arms crossed. In a low voice my wife asked if she could bid her good night and ask her if she needed anything. The other said that in fact it would be a courtesy and for her to go in without knocking; my wife had been about to rap on the door but the other one told her obligingly to just go in because she was sure she was not sleeping yet. The two of them went in. Our dining room has a large table and there is a little table in one corner near the balcony. The balcony was half open. The light was off, but my wife says that on the floor beside her and the little table there was something like a disc a bit larger than a fifty-peseta coin that was phosphorescing a great deal and she could be seen quite well. She sat up and my wife asked if she wanted anything, that she was nervous thinking she might be uncomfortable. My wife says she had on a big kind of bathrobe. As the light was tenuous, she could not distinguish the material. They spoke a few words and left again.

In the corridor she spoke with the other woman. They talked a long time in low voices. This "Senorita" turned out to be married, with a husband on UMMO, and she had been selected for our planet. There on UMMO she was, as we would say, a teacher of a specialty of mathematics and her mission on Earth my wife did not know how to explain very well, but apparently it was related to the study of the history of the physicists who were here in bygone ages. While in Mexico she had committed a disobedience and it seems she was being punished by having to serve her chief as a maid. In short, a long story.

We got up early. The two women were already chatting in the dining room.They requested permission to go into the bathroom. First the older of them bathed and YU stayed out talking with me. Then she went in too. A strange thing that my wife observed was that they had not used the towels or soap in spite of the fact that the bathtub had been used. The yellow patch on the floor was no longer there. Nothing could be found even with a magnifying glass! They wanted no breakfast but insisted that we have ours. Another thing occurred. wile YU One was talking with us, the other woman stood looking closely at all the dininwroom furniture. The younger one noticed it and this time in their language she said something in a tone that sounded gentle to us, but the older woman, UUO, blushed, her lips trewibled and her eyes moistened. w pretended not to notice this and continued talking.

They left early and returned that night. We shall never forget the conversations we had with that young woman. My wife was so impressed that she confessed to me that now she truely believes they were from UMMO. Furthermore, that same day, the 27th, DEl 98 came and dictated several things to me, among them letters you would receive. One told of the arrival in Brazil, Bolivia and Spain of their interplanetary ships.

He dictated more reports and said he would continue doing so Sunday and tuesday because he did not know if their Superior would give all of them orders to depart, but he suspected she would, because he knew no one would be coming off the ship and that all his brothers had received orders to leave the other countries they were in and to group themselves in Brazil, Bolivia and Spain. I asked him whether they would be coming back and he said he did not even know for sure if they were leaving. I asked him if she would know, or whether she was expecting orders on reaching the ships, and he said it was not necessary to wait for the ships in order to learn the orders (they call the ships OAUELEA UEBA OEMM). He said she knew but was not accustomed to giving explanations to her subordinates. He said that just in case, he himself would dictate a few more reports so that in case they left I could send them to certain people on definite dates. (In fact he gave me three more reports to type for three people living in Paris and Lyon, written in French.)

The next day, Sunday, YU One returned in the afternoon without her companion but accompanied by ASOO 3 and another man unknown to me, very young, and who did not speak Spanish either (or did not wish to speak it). They gave me some little packages to mail and an envelope for me, asking that I not open it, although ASOO 3 asked me when we were alone to keep my identity secret whatever happened, for if they returned to Earth, I and another gentleman were their only contacts in Spain.

YU I took leave of us Thesday morning, saying that they would not be sleeping any more in our house, that they would spend the night on the outskirts of Madrid. DEl 98 came to pick her up and they entered a taxi whose number I wrote down. We hated to see them go. I haven't seen them since.

[Tuesday was the 30th of May. They were picked up the evening, 1. june.]

From newspapers I learned that the ship arrived. In one of the papers they even had photographs of it. All wednesday night my wife and I were walking about in the area of the Casa de Campo y Arguelles because they told us the landing was most probable in wednesday rather than Thursday.

On Thursday we were in University City (La Ciudad Universitaria) until eleven at night and, since we weren't seeing anything, dead for sleep, we retired. The following afternoon we found out about it in the daily newspaper PUEBLO and bought all the afternoon papers to look for news. We also called ....... (sic) by phone but there was no answer.

For some time now I had had no doubt about them, but this experience, in case any doubt were left, finally convinced me and my wife. I didn't know if I was dreaming. If it weren't for you who were receiving their letters, and also my wife, who has now met them, and my brother-in-law, and the news reports in the newspapers, I would have thought I was crazy. This was the greatest experience of my life, and if it weren't for their having asked me to use discretion, I wouldn't care if they took me for crazy and would shout it to the four winds.

Only one thing worries me now: why did they go that way, so suddenly, and furthermore all of them? Sunday night my wife and I had a long chat with her. She (YU I) gave us marvelous tips about meals and about how to train the children. We talked about the space flights of the Americans to the moon, and she told us things about astronomy that left us with our mouths open, to the point that I, who in the beginning had been bothered by the fact that she were no more than a lass(ungjente), now felt dominated by her.

I don't know how the scrap between Egypt and the Jews came up, but I asked her opinion and she said for us to be calm, that there would be no world war, but then she became pensive (tankefull)and the two of them looked at each other very significantly. Then, as if realizing that we had caught that glance, she repeated in a steady voice that we should rest assured there would be no such war. But I have been thinking the matter over. Why did they all leave so suddenly? It's said that rats abandon ships about to sink. They have been making their studies, have been dictating scientific reports and other things to me, and suddenly ... Was she telling us there would be no war in order to tranquilize us the way they lie to children in war-time before a bombardment? They are well informed about politics and economics. Before the explosion of the Chinese boob, DEl 98 announced it to me with the exact time, and then the newspapers reported it (which made me think perhaps my wife was right and they were spies).

At last I've unburdened myself to you, because I had to. Tonight I intend to write another letter to another gentleman who has been receiving the reports. I offer you my friendship, for you and I have been witnesses of this.......

https://www.galactic.no/rune/ummo.html

More on Ummite way of life, technology, history etc.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/w6571mo770ja29k/UMMO.zip/file

[NickZ]

  Well you're right,  it's all just fake BS.
  Sorry to bore you ... Phil was just repeating more of his BS, he never work there at Dulce, etc.  Thanks for your opinion.

.  NickZ

[nix85]

Did i ever say or imply it's all just fake bs. I did not. Just the contrary. No one researches & promotes this subject more than me.
All i said is Schneider is a well intended liar. Sorry to burst your Schneider bubble....
He was indeed never there, he made it up just like Commander X, Al Bielek, Preston Nichols, Duncan Cameron and many others like these "supersoldiers".... Thanks for your opinion too.

Nix

[NickZ]

  Well, when you say that someone did not work at Dulce, and is a lier,  and you show no proof. Whos options should I  believe?
Are you some kind of expert on Phils life, or is this all hear say? As his testimony to me is pretty eye opening, on his videos, sorry that you don't think so. Or, you've heard it before, years ago, etc. 
  Yes, he has been dead for years.
Now, all the videos under his name on You Tube don't apear that he made which I had once viewed.   Listen, I am not trying to convince you or any one of any thing. But, if you'd like me to listen to your opinions, about a supposed lier, you should show some proof. As that is no insignificant detail.

   NickZ